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Colleen
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hi everyone, haven't been on in a while, chesney started on his meds and is doing great, he stinks, and breath is awful, but we cannot afford 280.00 a month and the generic med have been on back order for months, but I was wondering has anyone heard of pan-tenex enzymes for dogs? 

January 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Patsy
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Posts: 993

Most people  in the US use  Enzyme Diane,  She says she has only a four  or five day delay.      This is much cheap than anything else, and is a proper porcine enzyme.  I'm sure other folks will be online soon to explain properly, as I am not in the US.

http://www.enzymediane.com/

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Marti  Springer Spaniel, owned by Patsy, Sheffield, England.  She died age 12yrs 6mths  on 27/11/14 from heart failure. Diagnosed after three months, when she was 4 years old,she dropped from 24 kilos to 17 kg.  initially she also had protein losing enteropathy, treated with steroids, ,raw sores on back, obsessive thirst, bursting bowels and biadder, then stable after 2 years.   Developed another autoimmune problem with muscular myositis on head ( muscles wasted away, leaving gaunt hollows.)  She also suffered sometimes from  bottom end thrush, anal  gland infections, and recurrent SIBO treated with 4 weeks of oxytetracycline each time. 

Enzymes: Panzym caused mouth problems, resulting in tooth removal , as I didn't know at the time how caustic it was. I changed to one Lypex  then used VetUk Pancreatic Nutrient tablets, and one Chemeyes because it is half the strength, and I didn't need to use two vet uk ones. Then 3 Chemeyes or  2 pancreatic Nutrient  per meal. 

B12 injection monthly.  Trinfac B12 + intrinsic factor capsules from Chemeyes daily. Metacam for knee joints.  Also used Yumpro Bio pre/probiotics.

Food: picky eater,tinned  Chappie saved her life  till she would eat kibble again.  Eden Holistic, Millies Wolfheart and Lily's Kitchen all good,chicken and grain free.

Vets, one caring learner, who had  nervous breakdown, replaced by obnoxious vet , so I rang round  interviewing them to find someone I trusted and would work with us. Since losing Marti and Bob, I have changed again since the good vet us retired.

RIP Bobby the cocker , from PLN.  Present pet, Tinker the fluffy little grey Greek rescue dog. New addition, Jack ,  a neglected rescue terrier, looks like a fox cub and so happy to to be healthy and loved.

 


January 8, 2016 at 7:41 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Epi4Dogs
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Posts: 17180

I too strongly endorse EnzyeDiane's enzymes.  We switched cold-turkey from Pancrezyme to EnzymeDiane's 6x and have been very very pleased ever since ... and that was 8 + years ago and we are still using EnzymeDiane's enzymes! 

Also... EnzymeDiane is the only generic enzyme company that will give you the actual USA approved source, date and lot # of where and when those enzymes were processed in..... as you are given an individual safety data sheet of which barrel your enzymes came from and if you want, you can directly contact the USA laboratory where they were processed.

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Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable 9+ yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.... until she developed Diabetes and now cannot tolerate higher fat foods.

In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8+ years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes, Low Thyroid and High Cholesterol.  Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and  is currently  doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!  Because of Izzy's concurrent conditions of Diabetes and High Cholesterol we had to make changes to our daily EPI routine. We had to alter the fiber, type of fiber and the fat content her diet. She is now on an all home-made diet which she does best on and has even been able to reduce the insuline (Vetsulin:pork-based insulin) . Because of the diet change to all home-made i no longer worry about hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia- -she is much more even-keeled with a diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, sometimes a free range egg, cottage cheese,  fish oil+vitamins and bone meal. We tried Novolin N a human synthetic RNA insulin.... but Izzy did not do well on it. aside from all of Izzy's health issues.... she continues to wake up every day full of joy and a great sense of humor!

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal expereinces, observations, information gleaned from EPI research, and information shared with me by EPI researchers....that hopefully may help others. Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet.

January 8, 2016 at 9:08 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Buttermom
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Posts: 2505

That is one of the things I really like about Diane....  All her information is right there for everyone to see. You don't have to go hunting for anything, and if there is a problem, she is right on top of it. I paid out the nose for Viokase for far too long. Had absolutely no problems switching, and the odor Butter had on the Viokase was gone when we switched to Diane's.....  

Susan

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"I am I because my little dog knows me."   Gertrude Stein

Butterbean, Chihuahua born on 06-27-2004, diagnosed in May-June of 2010 via pancreatic biopsy. TLI score of 0.7. Feeding Natural Balance LID Potato and Duck. 1/4 cup with 1/4 tsp of enzymes, twice a day.  She gets a B12 shot every 10 days, and a Wonderlab's capsule every other day.  She gets a maintenance dose of Cosequin every other day. Butter gets 1/4tsp of coconut oil, and a 1/2tsp of Platinum Plus CJ every day. Our new regimen now includes 1mg of prednisone every day, 1/4 tablet (50 mg) of trazodone twice a day, 0.3 ml of omeprazole every day, 1/16th tsp of lactobacillus acidophilus every 3 days, and 500mg of wild salmon oil every other day. 

We lost Butter on the 24th of April, 2017 to cognitive brain disease.  


January 8, 2016 at 9:25 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Riley's Mom
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Posts: 2001
I also love enzyme Diane product. And I just ordered this Wednesday, got an email Thursday stating it has shipped! No backorder!!
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Elisabeth

Riley's Mom from Chesapeake, VA

Riley, 8 yr old Labradoodle diagnosed September 2014 cTLI 1.6

Weight before diagnosis 40 lbs, lowest weight 33 lbs, ready for the Chunky Monkey club as she weighed in at a whopping 42 pounds on 12/19/14!

Update: as of 2/25/15 Riley weighs in at 44.2 pounds!

Update: as of 6/15/15 Riley weighs in at 45 pounds!

Feeding grain free kibble TOTW, 1 tsp of Diane's 6x enzymes per cup of food. (I mix the enzymes in something moist). She is a picky eater--lately feeding her on a flat plate is the way to entice her to eat. 1 cup in the am, 2 cups in the pm, 1 tsp of coconut oil per meal, 1 packet of FortiFlora probiotic in the pm meal.

Began weekly B12 shots 10/23/14. Holding on shots for now.

Began 1 Wonderlabs B12 in the morning, 1 in the evening. Capsule opened up and sprinkled on her food.


*I am not a vet, anything I share or suggest on this site is solely from my experience as an EPI dog owner. It is recommended that anything shared or suggested on this forum be discussed with your pet's vet.*

January 8, 2016 at 10:21 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Dar
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Posts: 3232

I too use enzymediane  I buy 1 kilo for $ 160.00    .  It lasts me approx. 4 months.. Kodi is a GSD. Check her out ! ;-)

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  Dar and Kodi, From Washington state

 ' I aspire to be the person that my dog thinks I am !!'

Kodi (GSD female) , born August 19, 2010 , was diagnosed July 15, 2011 at 11 months .Lowest weight, 47 lbs, weight as of  4/27/2013  62.9 lbs. Our goal for her at this time is now 65 lbs. !!!   And she made it!! .  TLI .07 , Folate 9.4 , Cobalmin 536 .

Kodi is on Pioneer Naturals Whitefish or Venison , 2  cups kibble twice a day with  3/4 teaspoons of enzymes (X 8 ) per cup,from Diane. 1 Trinfac-B capsule once a day. Also 1/8 t. of ground coriander, 1/16 t. of ground fennel seed and cinnamon per meal (for stomach acid and burps). KOdi started having issues again with her feet.. I think it was the peas in the Acana foods..and her poo is good with the Pioneer Naturals too, she is not really happy about eating, but she is happier (or maybe I am to have solved the gnawing of the paws). So we will see how this works !



January 8, 2016 at 10:26 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jean and Kara
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Posts: 7462
Hi there we are in the UK, so have nothing personally to do with Diane's enzymes, however, we have been around the folk who do for 5 1/2 years, and I am happy to endorse the use of her services, I assume, it wasn't Diane's enzymes that were on back order, she would have posted on Facebook, and this site if it was. As we are not medically trained we can only endorse what we have evidence that works, and that is from our members ,so let us know what you do...........jean
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Kara

 

From Liverpool England


born 21st July 2009


Adopted at five months old 26th December 2009

 

EPI dx August 2010


tli<1.00 folate 8.3 cobalimin 611

Antibiotics  2 Oxytet antibiotics 3 times a day also if we cannot fit the Oxytet in she has Tylan 1/8th teaspoon before her meals as a maintenanance dose

Food- Ashenbank Lamb Casserole  twice daily equalling 3 cups per day possibly more

Zantac (ranitadine) 75 mg 30 minutes before each meal as too much acid was being produced, causing shedding of bowel lining

Enzymes-Panzym 3 gram per meal twice daily ( 3/4 teaspoon ) 

B12 injection once every three weeks

One Chemeyes B12 with intrinsic factor of 40 daily

One Antepsin before bedtime

Allergies to beef, pork, chicken. and white fish confirmed by blood test

33.6 kilos in weight as of 5th May 2013

37 kilos as of 10th June 2014

40.65 kilos, 89.6 pounds as of 3rd March 2015

Vet says she is now processing her food correctly

Very proud of all of us

 

"UNCONDITIONAL LOVE WAS INVENTED BY DOGS"


I am not a vet, nor have veterinary experience, but have lived and breathed EPI for 51/2 years, and hope I can bring some support to others, as others have to me.

 

January 8, 2016 at 1:57 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Barb
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Posts: 3955

I also use Enzyme Diane.  We switched cold turkey about 5 years ago.....I was so afraid to switch because Kolby reacts to everything.....but there wasn't even a blip when we switched.   And we have saved so much money.  Diane is also wonderful to work with.   Her enzymes come quickly when you place your order and her website is always up to date.  I heartily recommend her.


Barb

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January 8, 2016 at 3:20 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Colleen
Member
Posts: 8

Thank you for help everyone!!

January 8, 2016 at 4:44 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Dar
Member
Posts: 3232

Colleen.. I had never heard of these  before.. I'll check them out


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  Dar and Kodi, From Washington state

 ' I aspire to be the person that my dog thinks I am !!'

Kodi (GSD female) , born August 19, 2010 , was diagnosed July 15, 2011 at 11 months .Lowest weight, 47 lbs, weight as of  4/27/2013  62.9 lbs. Our goal for her at this time is now 65 lbs. !!!   And she made it!! .  TLI .07 , Folate 9.4 , Cobalmin 536 .

Kodi is on Pioneer Naturals Whitefish or Venison , 2  cups kibble twice a day with  3/4 teaspoons of enzymes (X 8 ) per cup,from Diane. 1 Trinfac-B capsule once a day. Also 1/8 t. of ground coriander, 1/16 t. of ground fennel seed and cinnamon per meal (for stomach acid and burps). KOdi started having issues again with her feet.. I think it was the peas in the Acana foods..and her poo is good with the Pioneer Naturals too, she is not really happy about eating, but she is happier (or maybe I am to have solved the gnawing of the paws). So we will see how this works !



January 8, 2016 at 7:51 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Colleen
Member
Posts: 8

Yes please do, also our fur baby is digging t his skin?  We will be going to enzyme Diane from now on, also I will give our vet the link to this site..

January 9, 2016 at 7:24 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Terry Bin
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Posts: 2061

Hi Colleen...when you say digging at his skin, scratching?  Could be allergies.  If that keeps up you might want to talk to the vet about it.  Other option is to add either salmon oil or coconut oil (start very small amounts and work up) as the skin/coat can be dry but these oils help the coat a lot.

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Terry

Mom of three EPI Shiloh Shepherds: 

Pharaoh born Nov. 2007 and dx with epi December 2009.   Pharaoh weighed 62.4 lbs. (15 lb. weight loss) when diagnosed in 12/2009.

Weight 10/31/11 was 76.6; 85lbs on 9/22/12; 85.5 lbs. on 11/13/14.

Received six weeks of B12 shots Jan-Feb 2010 but his B12 on 8/10/2010 was only 232. So started weekly shots at home, which we continue to give. 

His older half sister is Taiko born Sept. 2006  and was dx with epi June 2010.  Since she has severe bilateral hip dysplasia she had always been on the thin side.  Taiko's weight was 70.7 lbs. in June 2010 (time of diagnosis; about a 10 lb. weight loss).

Weight on 10/31/11 was 80.4 and on 9/22/12 was 82.4 lbs.  Weight 11/13/14 was 83 lbs.  B12 was 211 in June 2010 so started six weeks of shots and was only 293 on 8/10/10.  She receives B12 shots weekly at home.  B12 in September 2014 was over 1,000.

Both are fed twice a day and we use Merrick BG brand: 1 1/2  cups kibble in the morning with 1/2 can dog food with 4 crushed tablets and in the evening 1 1/2 cups to 2 cups kibble with 1/2 can dog food  with 4 crushed tablets. 

Moku was born 4/15/14 does not have epi.  His grandfather is Taiko's and Pharaoh's father (through his mother).  On 11/05/14 his weight was 78 lbs, on 12/11/14 he was 85.7 and on his first birthday 15 April 2015: 90.2 lbs.

January 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Colleen
Member
Posts: 8

Thanks all, I just received 2 bottles of pan-tenex today 8.8 oz bottles, total price was 60.00 dollars, it says on the bottles Amylase 460,000 USP units..Protease 388,000 USP units..Lipase 71,000 USP units, crude protein 75.0%, crude fat 5.0% the web site is www.pantenexdogenzymes.com.. Since I paid and they have a bottle of viokase-v at the vet, I am going to see if they can send that back, this stuff says it is a product of Germany and packaged in USA..

January 9, 2016 at 2:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Epi4Dogs
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Posts: 17180
Hi collen..you need to do what you are most comfortable with.. However, long story shortt...you are dealing with a sick dog ..and I'm hoping . I would stick with proven meds, whether violas or enzyme Diane ...both of which have a solid track record of working. If you want to try an "unknown".....maybe later when your epi dog is stable and your dog is at least doing well enough to handle trying a product that you are unfamiliar with
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Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable 9+ yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.... until she developed Diabetes and now cannot tolerate higher fat foods.

In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8+ years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes, Low Thyroid and High Cholesterol.  Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and  is currently  doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!  Because of Izzy's concurrent conditions of Diabetes and High Cholesterol we had to make changes to our daily EPI routine. We had to alter the fiber, type of fiber and the fat content her diet. She is now on an all home-made diet which she does best on and has even been able to reduce the insuline (Vetsulin:pork-based insulin) . Because of the diet change to all home-made i no longer worry about hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia- -she is much more even-keeled with a diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, sometimes a free range egg, cottage cheese,  fish oil+vitamins and bone meal. We tried Novolin N a human synthetic RNA insulin.... but Izzy did not do well on it. aside from all of Izzy's health issues.... she continues to wake up every day full of joy and a great sense of humor!

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal expereinces, observations, information gleaned from EPI research, and information shared with me by EPI researchers....that hopefully may help others. Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet.

January 9, 2016 at 5:14 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Epi4Dogs
Site Owner
Posts: 17180
Sorry typing while riding in a car and there are a few typos in above response....
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Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable 9+ yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.... until she developed Diabetes and now cannot tolerate higher fat foods.

In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8+ years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes, Low Thyroid and High Cholesterol.  Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and  is currently  doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!  Because of Izzy's concurrent conditions of Diabetes and High Cholesterol we had to make changes to our daily EPI routine. We had to alter the fiber, type of fiber and the fat content her diet. She is now on an all home-made diet which she does best on and has even been able to reduce the insuline (Vetsulin:pork-based insulin) . Because of the diet change to all home-made i no longer worry about hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia- -she is much more even-keeled with a diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, sometimes a free range egg, cottage cheese,  fish oil+vitamins and bone meal. We tried Novolin N a human synthetic RNA insulin.... but Izzy did not do well on it. aside from all of Izzy's health issues.... she continues to wake up every day full of joy and a great sense of humor!

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal expereinces, observations, information gleaned from EPI research, and information shared with me by EPI researchers....that hopefully may help others. Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet.

January 9, 2016 at 5:16 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Colleen
Member
Posts: 8

Ok thank you!

January 9, 2016 at 5:17 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Kim
Limited Member
Posts: 5

Hi Colleen, I have used the Enzyme Diane and recently tried the Pan-tenex. My girl has improved a great deal. It seems to be a quality product and the owner cares about animals. I asked a lot of questions and got every single one answered. Also, they continue to email me and ask me how she is doing on their product. I encourage you to ask questions. Their product is actually cheaper as well. 

February 26, 2016 at 8:53 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Colleen
Member
Posts: 8

Hi all, haven't been back on in a while, but I did go ahead with my gut and tried Pen-tenex enzymes for dogs, Chesney has been on it since I last posted, and he has never been better, breath doesn't stink anymore and his weight started going back up right away, and he is doing wonderful, I think if you want to give them a try, and save some money, to do so, and it is never on back order, they are the most wonderful people and will reply to you if you have any questions right away..

October 1, 2016 at 5:12 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jill
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Posts: 3728

Thank you for providing input on another option for enzymes.


I have never heard a complaint nor anything but good words and great service from Diane.  My experience in ordering is order on Monday get it Wednesday. I know the majority of the folks here use her for their enzymes. 


It appears the Pan-tenex 250gm and Dianes 250gm 6x are both priced the same.  The Pan-tenex says 10x but still says to use 3/4 t to 1 teaspoon per meal, not per 1 cup kibble.  If Dianes 8x you use 3/4 t, seems like the Pan-tenex would be less yet. 


There is so much more that Diane does for Epi4dogs in the big picture, that once folks know we are more that willing to support her and use her product.  Thank you for another option.

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   Jill-  Washington State

Mickey 6/21/99 - 8/29/2014 

17.5 lb  jack russell, chronic pancreatitis, hyperuricosuria,high blood pressure, hypothyroid, spinal stenosis

diet of  hard boiled eggs, macaroni,  RC Hepatic, mashed potato

2 #2 Dianes enzymes 6x premeal

 2.5 mg Amlodipine, .15mg soloxine am/pm, 100mg ursodiol started for gall bladder thinning

arthritis:  6.25mg tramadol 1x/day, 12.5mg gabapentin every 12 hrs,  Assisi soft loop used on back and elbow, 1- 540meq potassium citrate nightly

Denamarin once a day, 1/16 t tylan (150mg)  2x/day ,  Senilife started 12/14/13, Trixsyn sirup for arthritis, .1mg Adequan weekly by shot. 75mg Tylan 2x./day for SIBO

Optimmune for Dry eyes

 Kiya is Mickeys sister, 3/4 aussie, 1/4 blue heeler born 9/2006.  She thinks she is a 44 lb jack russell who tries to heel Mickey!!

TJ is the newest addition.  He is in the bottom picture with Kiya.  He was born 7/05/2015. 

I am not a vet, just a pet owner sharing what experiences I have had in helping my dogs with other pet owners.  If you have an emergency please call your vet.





October 2, 2016 at 11:56 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Lisa Baublitz
Member
Posts: 4
My pup was just diagnosed and vet put her on pancreapowder plus. In comparing enzyme diane products and pan tenex, pantenex is exactly the same units per enzyme as the prescription the vet had, enzyme diane varied her products. As being new to all this but in the medical field, I was always taught to go "apples to apples, not apples to oranges". So I have been struggling with the descision of which to pick!! Both have excellent reviews
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