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Barbara
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I use raw pig pancreas for Booker with an additional gastro-enzyme blend. I have to board Booker for 10 days and was wondering if I can make up the meals with the pig pancreas mixed in and then freeze; or if I should keep the pancreas separate and hope that it gets mixed in properly when he's boarded?

 

Also - Booker seems to pant frequently and at times very heavily. Is this a problem with the disease in that he is in pain when panting heavily or just anxious? He was stable for quite some time and recently has had a bit of a setback - haven't found the reason why yet but am working on it. Two days now - good stool - so fingers crossed. Still the panting tho. At least now he's not panting heavily when he's "resting".

 

Sorry for pic - can't seem to get it to straighten - will work on that!!!

Barb

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March 19, 2017 at 12:52 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Epi4Dogs
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HI Barb,


Panting.... can be either no big deal, or an indication that something is amiss.First thing that comes to my mind is always....diabetes... haas your pup been checked for Diabetes?


Here is a brief article with some normal and abnormal causes of panting:

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2015/11/25/dog-panting.aspx


Regarding the food with the raw pancreas.... i honestly don't know for 10 days how to really control this, but if you freeze 10 days worth of food with the raw pancreas mixed in.... do you trust the boarding facility to take out the meals ahead of time in enough time to deforst naturally.... since you cannot heat/nuke it as it will destroy the enzymes, and if served frozen the natural enzyems will be inactive.... so... i think it is up to you if you are comfortable that they will defrost the food w/ enzymes naturally for each meal.... then i don't see a problem with this.


Just a FYI.... I personally use enzyme powder... however.... when i need to leave my dog in someone else's care, i resort to using CREONcapsules or those few days so that there is not any confusion with the doggies care-taker....(You do have to play around with CREON tahead of time to figure out how much/dose your dog needs and how it needs to be administered best for your dog to absorb it) 


This has worked out best for us.


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Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable 9+ yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.... until she developed Diabetes and now cannot tolerate higher fat foods.

In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8+ years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes, Low Thyroid and High Cholesterol.  Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and  is currently  doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!  Because of Izzy's concurrent conditions of Diabetes and High Cholesterol we had to make changes to our daily EPI routine. We had to alter the fiber, type of fiber and the fat content her diet. She is now on an all home-made diet which she does best on and has even been able to reduce the insuline (Vetsulin:pork-based insulin) . Because of the diet change to all home-made i no longer worry about hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia- -she is much more even-keeled with a diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, sometimes a free range egg, cottage cheese,  fish oil+vitamins and bone meal. We tried Novolin N a human synthetic RNA insulin.... but Izzy did not do well on it. aside from all of Izzy's health issues.... she continues to wake up every day full of joy and a great sense of humor!

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal expereinces, observations, information gleaned from EPI research, and information shared with me by EPI researchers....that hopefully may help others. Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet.

March 19, 2017 at 9:12 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Barbara
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Thank you for your suggestions. I will look into the Creon. I have left my dog with food over-night and it's been ok but was worried about a longer stretch of time. I'm off to the Vet this week to get full blood work and finally hopefully get some answers and directions. I'm sure he has SIBO and am having difficulty getting that under control without antibiotics - so I've seen several posts on how to accomplish safe use of them. When at the vet I will get a prescription for the CREON just in case. Cheers!

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March 20, 2017 at 1:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Terry Bin
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Pharaoh has always panted a lot, even when just lying around at bedtime.  Totally checked out and no serious problems.  What we have seen in the past is when his B12 got low (he's on weekly shots for years now) he would pant more.  Also low B12 can make them more anxious which increases panting.....so if the B12 hasn't been checked lately you might want to look at that.  At one time there was a thread (many years ago) about panting and if I remember correctly it pretty much was nothing for most dogs...again low B12 would pop up as the source at times.

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Terry

Mom of three EPI Shiloh Shepherds: 

Pharaoh born Nov. 2007 and dx with epi December 2009.   Pharaoh weighed 62.4 lbs. (15 lb. weight loss) when diagnosed in 12/2009.

Weight 10/31/11 was 76.6; 85lbs on 9/22/12; 85.5 lbs. on 11/13/14.

Received six weeks of B12 shots Jan-Feb 2010 but his B12 on 8/10/2010 was only 232. So started weekly shots at home, which we continue to give. 

His older half sister is Taiko born Sept. 2006  and was dx with epi June 2010.  Since she has severe bilateral hip dysplasia she had always been on the thin side.  Taiko's weight was 70.7 lbs. in June 2010 (time of diagnosis; about a 10 lb. weight loss).

Weight on 10/31/11 was 80.4 and on 9/22/12 was 82.4 lbs.  Weight 11/13/14 was 83 lbs.  B12 was 211 in June 2010 so started six weeks of shots and was only 293 on 8/10/10.  She receives B12 shots weekly at home.  B12 in September 2014 was over 1,000.

Both are fed twice a day and we use Merrick BG brand: 1 1/2  cups kibble in the morning with 1/2 can dog food with 4 crushed tablets and in the evening 1 1/2 cups to 2 cups kibble with 1/2 can dog food  with 4 crushed tablets. 

Moku was born 4/15/14 does not have epi.  His grandfather is Taiko's and Pharaoh's father (through his mother).  On 11/05/14 his weight was 78 lbs, on 12/11/14 he was 85.7 and on his first birthday 15 April 2015: 90.2 lbs.

March 21, 2017 at 2:30 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Barb
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I agree with others that often panting is no big deal, but you should get it checked out to make sure it is not a symptom of something that needs attention.  Kolby went through a period when he was panting more than usual and like Terry said, it turned out that his B12 was not where it should have been for him.  


Let us know what you find out.


Barb

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March 21, 2017 at 10:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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