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Kona  is taking Pancrea powder plus 3 tsp with each meal.Food is Blue Wilderness beef/chicken mix.Her weight is stable now at 68 lbs,but she is panting heavily throughout the day and night.I stopped the powder for a few days and the panting stopped but so did the normal digestion.She seems ok with good energy levels my only concern is this heavy panting.Anyone have experience with this?

May 17, 2017 at 7:12 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jean and Kara
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whatever you do, you cannot stop the enzymes , ever,

can you tell us more about Kona,

ok, how many cups of food are you giving per meal ? the recommended dose is one level teaspoon per cup of food, are you leaving the food to "stand" with the enzymes mixed in, for 20-30 minutes ?

when was she diagnosed, and do you have any results of the tests ?

is she drinking lots of water

the answers to these might give someone a clue







From Liverpool England

born 21st July 2009

Adopted at five months old 26th December 2009


EPI dx August 2010

tli<1.00 folate 8.3 cobalimin 611

Antibiotics  2 Oxytet antibiotics 3 times a day also if we cannot fit the Oxytet in she has Tylan 1/8th teaspoon before her meals as a maintenanance dose

Food- Ashenbank Lamb Casserole  twice daily equalling 3 cups per day possibly more

Zantac (ranitadine) 75 mg 30 minutes before each meal as too much acid was being produced, causing shedding of bowel lining

Enzymes-Panzym 3 gram per meal twice daily ( 3/4 teaspoon ) 

B12 injection once every three weeks

One Chemeyes B12 with intrinsic factor of 40 daily

One Antepsin before bedtime

Allergies to beef, pork, chicken. and white fish confirmed by blood test

33.6 kilos in weight as of 5th May 2013

37 kilos as of 10th June 2014

40.65 kilos, 89.6 pounds as of 3rd March 2015

Vet says she is now processing her food correctly

Very proud of all of us



I am not a vet, nor have veterinary experience, but have lived and breathed EPI for 51/2 years, and hope I can bring some support to others, as others have to me.


May 17, 2017 at 8:31 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Site Owner
Posts: 17180

Welcome to you and Kona to our EPI family!

I don't think there is a direct correlation to the enzymes and heavy panting, or EPI and heavy panting specifically.  

Usually the heavy panting turns out to be nothng ....HOWEVER.. it can be an indication that something is not right, like with the heart, something going on hormonally, underlying Cushings disease, Thyroid issues, Diabetes, etc., etc.  My dog used to pant a LOT, but after having her thoroughly checked there was nothing wrong and then i noticed she liked to lay on the floor registers for the cool air.... she tended to just run "hot", especially after eating.  BUt then fast forward 5 years later... she developed Low Thyroid and Diabetes.... so maybe it was an early sign, or maybe not... i really don't know.  So although most likely it is not anything to really worry about..... i personally would observe when it happens, take notes or even video tape her with your phone and then bring her in to the vet's... show him the video of what happens and have her checked out... just in case.

As Jean mentioned above.... don't stop the enzymes, however.... can you please let us know how much and what kind of food you are feeding her???  Your enzyme to food ratio may be off...


Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable 9+ yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.... until she developed Diabetes and now cannot tolerate higher fat foods.

In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8+ years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes, Low Thyroid and High Cholesterol.  Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and  is currently  doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!  Because of Izzy's concurrent conditions of Diabetes and High Cholesterol we had to make changes to our daily EPI routine. We had to alter the fiber, type of fiber and the fat content her diet. She is now on an all home-made diet which she does best on and has even been able to reduce the insuline (Vetsulin:pork-based insulin) . Because of the diet change to all home-made i no longer worry about hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia- -she is much more even-keeled with a diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, sometimes a free range egg, cottage cheese,  fish oil+vitamins and bone meal. We tried Novolin N a human synthetic RNA insulin.... but Izzy did not do well on it. aside from all of Izzy's health issues.... she continues to wake up every day full of joy and a great sense of humor!

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal expereinces, observations, information gleaned from EPI research, and information shared with me by EPI researchers....that hopefully may help others. Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet.

May 17, 2017 at 10:35 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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