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Laura Gronholm
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Hello all, 

My name is Laura, I have a 10yr old GSD named Liberty. I rescued her at age 2, she weighed 62lbs. It was a scary odyssey to final diagnosis of EPI; once we knew what we were dealing with we started her on enzymes and a grain-free diet. Shes has maintained a healthy weight of ~89lbs, has done well. Unfortunately, the last 6mons have been very difficult; for some reason she started having severe skin issues, this effects her belly, chest. chin and groin. She has been in this awful cycle of breaking out almost overnight, with raw bleeding, sensitive skin. She has been on 2 antibiotics chronically for almost 5mons, they have helped but she is never without some skin sores, and as soon as she finishes her 2week course, the infection comes right back, again, almost overnight.

Liberty has been to our vet multiple times in last mons, with blood tests, skin cultures, and to a specialist; neither can seem to figure what is happening, and have told me that other than the ongoing antibiotics (we've tried everyone they could think of, including an injectable,) there is really nothing else they can do. Other than this, she is still pretty spunky, but they are telling me that I will need to consider "quality of life, and if it is time to make the most difficult decision." This is so, so scary for me; I know shes a senior, but if she did not have this skin issue, she would be doing quite well; she still is crazy funny, she loves her walks, she still has her spark. I dont want her to be euthanized because we cant figure out what this is, or what to do, but I cant bare to see her suffer. 

I am waiting on a delivery of pet cannabis product; I have also looked at Tumeric for dogs ( to help with skin and with joints.) I will keep her on the antibiotics if I have to, if is only solution, but I just wish I knew what we were fighting, how to solve this problem. Does this have some relation to her EPI?

Thank you so much for whatever insight you are willing to provide.

Laura & Liberty

January 12, 2018 at 3:39 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Doc's Mom
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Hi Laura - welcome to you and Liberty.  I can totally understand as I've been through the ringer with my boy and skin infections, itching, etc.  Have you recently changed foods?  My understanding is that dogs are like humans when it comes to allergies and they can develope and/or resolve at any time.  Have you thought about testing for food sensitivites or environmental allergies?  When Doc started I suspected it was a food allergy as I had changed his food because he had been dx with EPI - I ended up going to a dermatologist and he was on antibiotics for 6 weeks - then instead of doing the traditional food elimination trial I purchased the NutriScan Food Sensitivity Test - once I received the results and changed his food based on the recommendations all of his issues resolved - then he started a slight itch in the Spring so I figured it was environmental and had him blood tested and put him on Zyrtec - he's been relatively itch free ever since.  I also bath him in Duoxo shampoo, which is what the dermatologist recomended.

--

MADELON and DOC aka "BUBBY WUBBY"

Nashville, Tennessee

DOB: 4/3/2014 - Diagnosed EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
EPI Test Results: 1st test 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; 
2nd test 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; 3rd test 10/2015   TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4

Weight: 95 (highest 1/2015) - 76 (lowest 5/2015) - goal met 100lb (7/23/15) - 101.8LBS 12/3/15 - CHUNKY MONKEY

History prior to DX:  May/June 2014 (2mos old) - DX coccidia and bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos old) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Diagnosed SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May  2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop.

History since DX: has maintained weight between 95-101lbs since July 2015; extreme yeast and rod infection in ears; yeast infection paws (ongoing); bacterial eye infection; bacterial skin infection on legs; poops LIVE fly larvae; diagnosed with mild, focal superficial pyoderma (bacterial infection) - rare lesions on inner thighs; bacterial and yeast overgrowth lip folds; yeast overgrowth feet and left ear; metacarpal/metatarsal draining tracts/fistulae (infection and/or immune mediated disease; probable underlying allergy (food vs. environmental ); staphylococcus pseudintermedius infection in sores on paws; recurring metatarsal fistula - all issues resolved after NutriScan Food Sensitivity Test and switching foods.

NUTRISCAN Food Sensitivity Test (12/2015): reactive to chicken, turkey, white fish, wheat, white potato (mild), venison, soy (mild), pork (mild), duck (mild), corn - switching food based on test resolved all skin issues.

Serum Allergy Test (5/2016): Too many to mention

CURRENTLY :  6 cups Forza10 Legend Skin - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 2 scoops TotalBiotics 1x day; 600mg vitamin E; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Milk Thistle during heartworm/flea/tick meds

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions are based on my personal experiences, information gleaned from EPI research and information from other EPI owners.  Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet

SO THANKfUL FOR OUR EPI4DOGS GUARDIAN ANGELS!!!!!!!!

YOUR PAWS LEFT PRINTS ON MY HEART (in loving memory of Bugsy aka Boo Boo - Boston Terrier 14yrs - not EPI but medically challenging and totally worth it)


January 12, 2018 at 4:25 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Laura Gronholm
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Posts: 6

Hi Docs Mom,

We did have the allergy tests early on, as she had what appeared to be allergy issues in her youth; they were "inconclusive." The vet thought was environmental. We havent retested, and havent changed foods for years.

The Nutriscan test you refer to, is that something I can order? Do at home? 

Thank you again so much again.


January 12, 2018 at 4:47 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Laura Gronholm
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Posts: 6

Hi again Madelon, 

I just read about he Nutriscan test; I may actually try this route. But in the meantime, I looked through the regimin you have your boy on, looked up the Forza 10 you have him on; I decided to order, seems like a timely way to potentially begin to solve the issue, if it is in fact food related, with no real downside. Best hope is that we will see positive results while waiting for broader testing. I know you are not a vet, but I do thank you for sharing about Doc, gives me hope that maybe, just maybe Liberty can live out her beautiful, long life in comfort and peace. She absolutely deserves nothing less than whatever I can do for her. 

Blessings, Laura

January 12, 2018 at 5:53 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Epi4Dogs
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Laura,  Hi... jsut read what Liberty is going thru... SO so sorry....poor Liberty must be miserable.

Can you take a picture of the allergic reaction/rash... etc.... and post here?... i am wondering, since you say it pops up, nothing definite... couple of things......... first... have you tried this shampoo "PhytoVet PSS-Antiseborrheic Shampoo" $20 a bottle... i struggled with my Rico's skin (from A-Typical Cushings for years and nothing helped his skin except (and finally!) this shampoo my current vet recommended. I was so relieved.... and where i am going with this train of thinking... "sev"ere skin issues, this effects her belly, chest. chin and groin" possibly A-Typical Cushings" which does NOT display with any typical Cushing symptoms.... but... if Liberty has yucky stools that nothing seems to be helping.... this "might be a possibility.


OR.........


The other thing i am thinking of (because i struggled with my other dog) we could not figure out what in the world she was allergic to. My old vet also suspected environmental allergies... she shewed her paws, butt, feet to where everything would bleed. it was awful and the only way to help but not even fully fix things was via constant care... it was awful. Finally we figured it out that it was storage mite allergy.... in ALL kibble, some worse than others but always worse at the end of the bag, not so much when the bag was first opened.  My vet suggested that i freeze the kibble first... which helped... so we started her on Allercept (under the tongue "drops" antigen) and we stopped the prednizone and started her on Apoquel.... made a HUGE difference.... and then when i stopped all kibble and switched to only home made with ONLY potato (sweet potato and/or white potato...and meat- -never any grain, and various green veggies (kale) ... OMG... the difference was amazing. she no longer chews anything, her ears even cleared up...


if nothing else it might be worth asking your vet if you can try Apoquel on her (pills)

--

Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable 9+ yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.... until she developed Diabetes and now cannot tolerate higher fat foods.

In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8+ years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes, Low Thyroid and High Cholesterol.  Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and  is currently  doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!  Because of Izzy's concurrent conditions of Diabetes and High Cholesterol we had to make changes to our daily EPI routine. We had to alter the fiber, type of fiber and the fat content her diet. She is now on an all home-made diet which she does best on and has even been able to reduce the insuline (Vetsulin:pork-based insulin) . Because of the diet change to all home-made i no longer worry about hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia- -she is much more even-keeled with a diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, sometimes a free range egg, cottage cheese,  fish oil+vitamins and bone meal. We tried Novolin N a human synthetic RNA insulin.... but Izzy did not do well on it. aside from all of Izzy's health issues.... she continues to wake up every day full of joy and a great sense of humor!

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal expereinces, observations, information gleaned from EPI research, and information shared with me by EPI researchers....that hopefully may help others. Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet.

January 12, 2018 at 6:53 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Laura Gronholm
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Posts: 6

Thank so much for helping me think this thru, you really have been thru alot! Im so glad Rico is doing well, I remain hopeful, its just so hard to watch them suffer, isnt it.  So, Liberty does not appear to have any GI issues, eats well, poop looks good, weight holding steady. That is interesting about the mite thing, I have never heard of this! I will be extra vigilant. Im going to try some different food mentioned in an earlier post, will be very vigilant about storage. Im really hoping it is as simple as changing her diet, that she may have become sensitive to what she has been on for several years, LI/Grain Free Fish or Turkey. 

Liberty has been on Apoquel and Gabapentin for ~1yr; she is also on enzymes, Dasuquin and Rimadyl (she was born with bilateral hip dysplasia & a bad elbow; shes now starting to have some pain in these areas.) We use Pharmaseb RX Shampoo, seems to soothe her. 

Im also going to try a Cannapet product; theres no downside as far as we know, and I have heard of good results managing mobility and even skin issues. I believe it is certainly worth a try. 

What a journey, Laura

January 12, 2018 at 8:07 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Paige's Guardian
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Hi Laura,

Sorry to hear about Liberty and skin issues.  I have had many dogs.  In my current group of 5 dogs, 2 have had itching and skin issues.  Long stories in how we figured it out BUT after many vet trips and lots of $$$$.  We finally figured it out.  They both had food allergies.  I was a little quicker it catching the second one with food allergies and was not about to gamble with "elimination diets" which can also be expensive.  So, on the second dog, I requested blood test for allergy.  That helped tremendously and all her skin issues resolved. 

You are on the right track.  Keep us posted.

January 12, 2018 at 9:32 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
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Lots of greata suggestion here.  I was thinking what kind of antibiotic was your dog taking?  Have you read up on the side effects could be that the skin irritation is coming from the antibiiotic ...it is worth looking into. Just a thought. 

I hope you find out what is causing this problem

 

January 12, 2018 at 9:51 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Epi4Dogs
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Laura.... clarification.... storage mite allergies are in ALL dry/kibble foods and eventually- -they invade the food- -it's crazy!..... and they are in grains, flours, rice, wheat yadda,yadda ..... and heat does not destroy them :( only deep freeze helps a little...best example i can give is a lady had a storage mite allergey. Ate pancakes at Ihop.... had a severe reaction (storage mites are in flour even after being cooked/baked/fried, etc)

Here is a summary of Storage mites and pets:

Where are storage mites commonly found?

 

These particular mites (Tyrophagus putrescentiae, Lepidoglyphus destructor, Acarus siro) are present in dry foods, cereals, grains, straw and cheese—i.e., substances that can get moldy. Like dust mites, storage mites can cause nonseasonal signs, including pruritus, erythema and recurrent otitis in dogs and cats. They're well-known in humans for causing asthma and allergic rhinitis ("baker's lung").

 

Data have shown that storage mites live in conjunction with house dust mites and can be found in bedding, mattresses, upholstered furniture and fabrics. One study in humans found storage mites to have overtaken dust mites as a leading source of allergy.

 

A popular misconception is that storage mites are present in bags of food or cereals from the manufacturer. In one study, out of 10 bags of dry dog food, one was found to have storage mites, but the rest developed the mites after being in the owners' homes.2

What's the best way to prevent storage mite occupation of dry pet foods?

 

Advise clients who have allergic animals to buy dry pet food in small bags, immediately empty the bags into sealed bags and place them in a freezer. Keep one bag out in an airtight container and feed the pet from that bag first. Take the food that is next to be fed to the animal out of the freezer and place it in an air-tight container to thaw. (i found avoiding dry food completely worked best)

 

Canned food or a cooked diet that doesn't contain grains or cereals may be fed to the animal. For example, cooked hamburger is OK but not the bun; cooked oatmeal instead of Cheerios; cottage cheese instead of sliced cheese (since it doesn't mold as easily).

 

Keep in mind that it's unknown if microwaving or freezing dry food is sufficient enough to kill storage mites. The reason for freezing unused new food is to prevent the food from being contaminated with storage mites in our homes.

 

How is an allergy to storage mites diagnosed?

 

This allergy should be suspected if the problem is nonseasonal, especially with facial involvement (our's was not face at all but paws, feet, butt, ears and i just remember... the belly too (e.g., pruritus, recurrent otitis, asthma or waxy otitis). A cooked diet with no cereals, grains or cheese can be given for four to six weeks to see if the patient improves. (maybe worth trying)???

 

Perform skin or serum testing for various storage mites, but advise the client that mites cross-react on skin testing, and some animals may test positive for both dust mites and storage mites. Some of these patients will be allergic to both, while others will be allergic only to one type of mite, and a false positive reaction may occur to the other mite.

 

What about treatment?

 

Immunotherapy, either sublingual or subcutaneous, may be used if the owner doesn't want to feed a nondry diet.

 

Summary

 

Unfortunately, it takes only a tiny amount of mite allergen to elicit an allergic reaction in our pets. Hopefully, with more knowledge of these mites and ways to eradicate them, we can make our allergic pets more comfortable.

 

Dr. Alice Jeromin is a pharmacist and veterinary dermatologist in private practice in Cleveland, Ohio. She is a graduate of The Ohio State University College of Veterinary Medicine and an adjunct professor at Case Western Reserve University's College of Medicine in Cleveland.

 

References

 

1. Colloff MJ. Dust mites. Collingwood, Australia: CSIRO; 2009.

 

2. Brazis P, Serra M, Sellés A, et al. Evaluation of storage mite contamination of commercial dry dog food. Vet Dermatol 2008;19(4):209-214.

 

Suggested Reading

 

1. Reedy LM, Miller WH Jr, Willemse T. Aeroallergens and aerobiology. Allergic skin diseases of dogs and cats. 2nd ed. Philadelphia, Pa: WB Saunders l997;59-61.

 

2. Bensignor E, Carlotti DN. Sensitivity patterns to house dust mites and forage mites in atopic dogs: 150 cases. Vet Dermatol 2002 Feb;13(1):37-42.


--

Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable 9+ yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.... until she developed Diabetes and now cannot tolerate higher fat foods.

In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8+ years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes, Low Thyroid and High Cholesterol.  Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and  is currently  doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!  Because of Izzy's concurrent conditions of Diabetes and High Cholesterol we had to make changes to our daily EPI routine. We had to alter the fiber, type of fiber and the fat content her diet. She is now on an all home-made diet which she does best on and has even been able to reduce the insuline (Vetsulin:pork-based insulin) . Because of the diet change to all home-made i no longer worry about hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia- -she is much more even-keeled with a diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, sometimes a free range egg, cottage cheese,  fish oil+vitamins and bone meal. We tried Novolin N a human synthetic RNA insulin.... but Izzy did not do well on it. aside from all of Izzy's health issues.... she continues to wake up every day full of joy and a great sense of humor!

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal expereinces, observations, information gleaned from EPI research, and information shared with me by EPI researchers....that hopefully may help others. Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet.

January 13, 2018 at 9:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Laura Gronholm
Member
Posts: 6

"Mite Allergies" Mites, Yikes!! Thank you so much for this, I really had no idea! It sounds like we need to start with retesting for food allergies/sensitivities/mites.  I am so grateful for all your time with this, every day that goes by is another day that Libetrty is fighting something I dont understand. Im really starting to think about how to change our approach to this, I do believe there are things I can try, all hope is NOT lost. 

January 13, 2018 at 11:20 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Laura Gronholm
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Paige's Guardian at January 12, 2018 at 9:32 PM

Hi Laura,

Sorry to hear about Liberty and skin issues.  I have had many dogs.  In my current group of 5 dogs, 2 have had itching and skin issues.  Long stories in how we figured it out BUT after many vet trips and lots of $$$$.  We finally figured it out.  They both had food allergies.  I was a little quicker it catching the second one with food allergies and was not about to gamble with "elimination diets" which can also be expensive.  So, on the second dog, I requested blood test for allergy.  That helped tremendously and all her skin issues resolved. 

You are on the right track.  Keep us posted.

It does get very costly, what makes me even crazier is while we're busy trying to figure this out, Liberty continues to suffer with something we dont yet understand. At this point her vet, who is very caring and open to ideas, still believes we've "run out of options." I.just cant accept that, I cant allow this to be how her beautiful life ends,without exploring other ideas. Thank you for our support. 


January 13, 2018 at 11:29 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Patsy
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Good suggestions.   

My Epi dog , in early stages of recovery, developed hot spots that blistered within hours. They joined up so that her back had a large raw area.  Vet gave her steroids and topical antibiotics to stave off airborne infections.  It cleared up, and the hair regrew in the next growing cycle. No idea why it happened. 

Another thought is that Liberty is affected on areas  in contact  with  furniture and floors. Carpets and rugs contain many chemicals, especially flame retardants which can cause problems. Laminate flooring may have problematic cleaning sprays or fluids.    What is her own own bedding?  is it washed in perfumed detergents?    I expect your vets have been over all this.  Please keep trying.

--

Marti  Springer Spaniel, owned by Patsy, Sheffield, England.  She died age 12yrs 6mths  on 27/11/14 from heart failure. Diagnosed after three months, when she was 4 years old,she dropped from 24 kilos to 17 kg.  initially she also had protein losing enteropathy, treated with steroids, ,raw sores on back, obsessive thirst, bursting bowels and biadder, then stable after 2 years.   Developed another autoimmune problem with muscular myositis on head ( muscles wasted away, leaving gaunt hollows.)  She also suffered sometimes from  bottom end thrush, anal  gland infections, and recurrent SIBO treated with 4 weeks of oxytetracycline each time. 

Enzymes: Panzym caused mouth problems, resulting in tooth removal , as I didn't know at the time how caustic it was. I changed to one Lypex  then used VetUk Pancreatic Nutrient tablets, and one Chemeyes because it is half the strength, and I didn't need to use two vet uk ones. Then 3 Chemeyes or  2 pancreatic Nutrient  per meal. 

B12 injection monthly.  Trinfac B12 + intrinsic factor capsules from Chemeyes daily. Metacam for knee joints.  Also used Yumpro Bio pre/probiotics.

Food: picky eater,tinned  Chappie saved her life  till she would eat kibble again.  Eden Holistic, Millies Wolfheart and Lily's Kitchen all good,chicken and grain free.

Vets, one caring learner, who had  nervous breakdown, replaced by obnoxious vet , so I rang round  interviewing them to find someone I trusted and would work with us. Since losing Marti and Bob, I have changed again since the good vet us retired.

RIP Bobby the cocker , from PLN.  Present pet, Tinker the fluffy little grey Greek rescue dog. New addition, Jack ,  a neglected rescue terrier, looks like a fox cub and so happy to to be healthy and loved.

 


January 13, 2018 at 11:46 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Doc's Mom
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Hey Laura - sorry it's taken me so long to respond.  The NutriScan test you can order online and is done at home - be sure to fast your dog as the directions indicate - they chew on a piece of rope and you send that back in.  You will get a detailed report as to what foods your dog is reactive to - I personally avoided anything they told me to and anything that he had even a mild reaction to.  When he developed his Spring itch I did the blood test for both food and environment - which the vet said wouldn't be accurate blah blah - all I can say is the food blood test confirmed the NutriScan test.  I think NutriScan is about $280, which for me was cheaper than a food elimination diet.  I hope you are able to get your baby squared away.  Please do let us know what you decide to do and how it goes - we all understand the frustrations of allergies as a lot of us have had to deal with them.

--

MADELON and DOC aka "BUBBY WUBBY"

Nashville, Tennessee

DOB: 4/3/2014 - Diagnosed EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
EPI Test Results: 1st test 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; 
2nd test 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; 3rd test 10/2015   TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4

Weight: 95 (highest 1/2015) - 76 (lowest 5/2015) - goal met 100lb (7/23/15) - 101.8LBS 12/3/15 - CHUNKY MONKEY

History prior to DX:  May/June 2014 (2mos old) - DX coccidia and bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos old) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Diagnosed SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May  2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop.

History since DX: has maintained weight between 95-101lbs since July 2015; extreme yeast and rod infection in ears; yeast infection paws (ongoing); bacterial eye infection; bacterial skin infection on legs; poops LIVE fly larvae; diagnosed with mild, focal superficial pyoderma (bacterial infection) - rare lesions on inner thighs; bacterial and yeast overgrowth lip folds; yeast overgrowth feet and left ear; metacarpal/metatarsal draining tracts/fistulae (infection and/or immune mediated disease; probable underlying allergy (food vs. environmental ); staphylococcus pseudintermedius infection in sores on paws; recurring metatarsal fistula - all issues resolved after NutriScan Food Sensitivity Test and switching foods.

NUTRISCAN Food Sensitivity Test (12/2015): reactive to chicken, turkey, white fish, wheat, white potato (mild), venison, soy (mild), pork (mild), duck (mild), corn - switching food based on test resolved all skin issues.

Serum Allergy Test (5/2016): Too many to mention

CURRENTLY :  6 cups Forza10 Legend Skin - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 2 scoops TotalBiotics 1x day; 600mg vitamin E; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Milk Thistle during heartworm/flea/tick meds

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions are based on my personal experiences, information gleaned from EPI research and information from other EPI owners.  Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet

SO THANKfUL FOR OUR EPI4DOGS GUARDIAN ANGELS!!!!!!!!

YOUR PAWS LEFT PRINTS ON MY HEART (in loving memory of Bugsy aka Boo Boo - Boston Terrier 14yrs - not EPI but medically challenging and totally worth it)


January 14, 2018 at 3:13 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Paige's Guardian
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Laura, I can sympathize with you since I have a 10 year and 4 month old Great Dane at home.  I had to find a new vet that would be a little more aggressive in figuring out her regurg/reflux issues.  She kept regurgitating water so, she kept drinking a lot of water without actually getting it in her stomach.  I found a great OLD vet with a big heart for older dogs.  We figured it out. 

My old Dane has megaesphagus and SID/SIBO.  So, with Tylan powder, metaclopromide (increases motility of esophagus---very cheap at Walmart) and unflavored Gelatin to make blocks for water/hydration that old Dane is doing great on her daily 30 min walks and playing with the other dogs.  Her mobility is really good.  She is a little wobbly, not unlike my old patients.  She is sweet as can be and the most stubborn old dog i have ever had....  Everyone in the neighborhood including the kids adore her.   She has a good quality of life and still eats like a horse. 

She has a good quality of life and seems very happy.  I am sure it won't be too long before she passes but I have been saying that and preparing even though it isn't happening.  I have friends who have had Danes up to 12 years old so, we will just have to wait and see......

January 14, 2018 at 5:39 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
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These are side effects from antibiotics for dogs...... Also, if your dog is getting vaccinated there are side effects that could come with that as well.. not the ones below but others you would have to look up .....

Common Side Effects of Antibiotics

 

Unfortunately, along with their curative effect, antibiotics can also have some negative side effects, with the most common ones being:

•Rashes, hives, or other allergic reactions that manifest in skin irritations.

•A disinterest in food or lethargy.

•Diarrhea, vomiting, or other signs of stomach irritation.

•Yeast infections, and other secondary infections, can occur as the result of use of antibiotics.

 

 

January 14, 2018 at 10:44 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Laura Gronholm
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Posts: 6

Good morn everyone,

I thank you all for your insight and support; I have learned so, so much from caring for my beautiful girl, I am a much better human for having loved Liberty. When I rescued her at age 2, I was told that she was very fragile, that I "shouldnt fall in love with her because she probably wont be with us long." I was asked to give her a good home, to love her for the time she had remaining, I was happy to do this, and immediately fell in love, of course. That was 8 yrs ago.

Unfortunately, Liberty died yesturday, at home; it was a comfortable, quiet, peaceful passing. There are unanswered questions, but no matter...what I do know is that all of you caring for these pups with special needs, you are amazing and wonderful humans. Thank you for all you do for your doggos. 

Blessings, Laura & Liberty

January 19, 2018 at 11:34 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Doc's Mom
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Laura I am so sorry for your loss. It sounds like Liberty was one lucky pup to have landed in your loving care. You gave her the chance that no one else would and she lived a long happy life. Run free sweet Liberty.
--

MADELON and DOC aka "BUBBY WUBBY"

Nashville, Tennessee

DOB: 4/3/2014 - Diagnosed EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
EPI Test Results: 1st test 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; 
2nd test 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; 3rd test 10/2015   TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4

Weight: 95 (highest 1/2015) - 76 (lowest 5/2015) - goal met 100lb (7/23/15) - 101.8LBS 12/3/15 - CHUNKY MONKEY

History prior to DX:  May/June 2014 (2mos old) - DX coccidia and bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos old) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Diagnosed SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May  2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop.

History since DX: has maintained weight between 95-101lbs since July 2015; extreme yeast and rod infection in ears; yeast infection paws (ongoing); bacterial eye infection; bacterial skin infection on legs; poops LIVE fly larvae; diagnosed with mild, focal superficial pyoderma (bacterial infection) - rare lesions on inner thighs; bacterial and yeast overgrowth lip folds; yeast overgrowth feet and left ear; metacarpal/metatarsal draining tracts/fistulae (infection and/or immune mediated disease; probable underlying allergy (food vs. environmental ); staphylococcus pseudintermedius infection in sores on paws; recurring metatarsal fistula - all issues resolved after NutriScan Food Sensitivity Test and switching foods.

NUTRISCAN Food Sensitivity Test (12/2015): reactive to chicken, turkey, white fish, wheat, white potato (mild), venison, soy (mild), pork (mild), duck (mild), corn - switching food based on test resolved all skin issues.

Serum Allergy Test (5/2016): Too many to mention

CURRENTLY :  6 cups Forza10 Legend Skin - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 2 scoops TotalBiotics 1x day; 600mg vitamin E; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Milk Thistle during heartworm/flea/tick meds

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions are based on my personal experiences, information gleaned from EPI research and information from other EPI owners.  Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet

SO THANKfUL FOR OUR EPI4DOGS GUARDIAN ANGELS!!!!!!!!

YOUR PAWS LEFT PRINTS ON MY HEART (in loving memory of Bugsy aka Boo Boo - Boston Terrier 14yrs - not EPI but medically challenging and totally worth it)


January 19, 2018 at 2:03 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jill
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Laura, I am sorry to hear Liberty has passed. Take care.
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   Jill-  Washington State

Mickey 6/21/99 - 8/29/2014 

17.5 lb  jack russell, chronic pancreatitis, hyperuricosuria,high blood pressure, hypothyroid, spinal stenosis

diet of  hard boiled eggs, macaroni,  RC Hepatic, mashed potato

2 #2 Dianes enzymes 6x premeal

 2.5 mg Amlodipine, .15mg soloxine am/pm, 100mg ursodiol started for gall bladder thinning

arthritis:  6.25mg tramadol 1x/day, 12.5mg gabapentin every 12 hrs,  Assisi soft loop used on back and elbow, 1- 540meq potassium citrate nightly

Denamarin once a day, 1/16 t tylan (150mg)  2x/day ,  Senilife started 12/14/13, Trixsyn sirup for arthritis, .1mg Adequan weekly by shot. 75mg Tylan 2x./day for SIBO

Optimmune for Dry eyes

 Kiya is Mickeys sister, 3/4 aussie, 1/4 blue heeler born 9/2006.  She thinks she is a 44 lb jack russell who tries to heel Mickey!!

TJ is the newest addition.  He is in the bottom picture with Kiya.  He was born 7/05/2015. 

I am not a vet, just a pet owner sharing what experiences I have had in helping my dogs with other pet owners.  If you have an emergency please call your vet.





January 19, 2018 at 4:31 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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