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Marilyn Marinelli
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Hair Loss caused by shampoo


 

January 16, 2018 at 11:13 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
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Anybody have a clue what I can do?  Took my dog to a groomer and they shampooed her THREE TIMES WITH MEDICATED SHAMPOO.  Now, she has lost hair on her chest, back, back legs .. I real mess. 

I don't want to shampoo her anymore her skin is so dried out and she has just been pulling her hair out ...Even her face was effected.  I could just sit and cry for days on end which I do.

So if anybody ever experienced this please share with me what to do.  I don't trust the vet anymore nor do I believe in groomers...what is there left to groom???? Don't share oatmeal shampoo with me because she can't use it.  I put cool compresses on her have rinsed her in lukewarm water. And am now giving her Vitamin E (ester E) every few days. Just started that.  I am hoping to start giving her Ester C a little at a time because I read it is a natural antihistimine.  I am looking to start her on the Vitamin C a little at a time.

She had skin problems before the grooming day. But, was really looking pretty darn good.  Then they destroyed the progress that had been made. Poor Ruby doo bee she is sooooo sweet I just cry for her...but hug her alot too.

I know this is a mess but damage has been done and now I sit in tears trying to help her.  Some of her hair is starting to grow on her back but it isn't a lot.

Well, thanks for any advice.  I know you all of dealing with things yourself so it's alright if you don't respond.  But, if you do thanks in advance.       

January 16, 2018 at 11:20 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Patsy
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What a shame,  why did she feel she had to wash her so thoroughly?    I expect she has rubbed so hard that the hair due to moult out, has come out . If so , the new hair won't take too long to emerge .    As Ruby has dry skin, I would give it a chance to let its own natural protective grease to come through, no shampoo or conditioner at all .  Just a rinse  to get mud off. Some so-called beneficial oils, as you know too well, can cause problems   . 

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Marti  Springer Spaniel, owned by Patsy, Sheffield, England.  She died age 12yrs 6mths  on 27/11/14 from heart failure. Diagnosed after three months, when she was 4 years old,she dropped from 24 kilos to 17 kg.  initially she also had protein losing enteropathy, treated with steroids, ,raw sores on back, obsessive thirst, bursting bowels and biadder, then stable after 2 years.   Developed another autoimmune problem with muscular myositis on head ( muscles wasted away, leaving gaunt hollows.)  She also suffered sometimes from  bottom end thrush, anal  gland infections, and recurrent SIBO treated with 4 weeks of oxytetracycline each time. 

Enzymes: Panzym caused mouth problems, resulting in tooth removal , as I didn't know at the time how caustic it was. I changed to one Lypex  then used VetUk Pancreatic Nutrient tablets, and one Chemeyes because it is half the strength, and I didn't need to use two vet uk ones. Then 3 Chemeyes or  2 pancreatic Nutrient  per meal. 

B12 injection monthly.  Trinfac B12 + intrinsic factor capsules from Chemeyes daily. Metacam for knee joints.  Also used Yumpro Bio pre/probiotics.

Food: picky eater,tinned  Chappie saved her life  till she would eat kibble again.  Eden Holistic, Millies Wolfheart and Lily's Kitchen all good,chicken and grain free.

Vets, one caring learner, who had  nervous breakdown, replaced by obnoxious vet , so I rang round  interviewing them to find someone I trusted and would work with us. Since losing Marti and Bob, I have changed again since the good vet us retired.

RIP Bobby the cocker , from PLN.  Present pet, Tinker the fluffy little grey Greek rescue dog. New addition, Jack ,  a neglected rescue terrier, looks like a fox cub and so happy to to be healthy and loved.

 


January 17, 2018 at 9:41 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jill
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I hope this doesn't sound harsh but have you ever thought of clipping Ruby Doo's hair quite a bit shorter? Might make the skin issue easier to handle without so much hair in the way. We had an aussie with horrible allergies and the shorter hair made a world of difference in treatment. Just a thought.
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   Jill-  Washington State

Mickey 6/21/99 - 8/29/2014 

17.5 lb  jack russell, chronic pancreatitis, hyperuricosuria,high blood pressure, hypothyroid, spinal stenosis

diet of  hard boiled eggs, macaroni,  RC Hepatic, mashed potato

2 #2 Dianes enzymes 6x premeal

 2.5 mg Amlodipine, .15mg soloxine am/pm, 100mg ursodiol started for gall bladder thinning

arthritis:  6.25mg tramadol 1x/day, 12.5mg gabapentin every 12 hrs,  Assisi soft loop used on back and elbow, 1- 540meq potassium citrate nightly

Denamarin once a day, 1/16 t tylan (150mg)  2x/day ,  Senilife started 12/14/13, Trixsyn sirup for arthritis, .1mg Adequan weekly by shot. 75mg Tylan 2x./day for SIBO

Optimmune for Dry eyes

 Kiya is Mickeys sister, 3/4 aussie, 1/4 blue heeler born 9/2006.  She thinks she is a 44 lb jack russell who tries to heel Mickey!!

TJ is the newest addition.  He is in the bottom picture with Kiya.  He was born 7/05/2015. 

I am not a vet, just a pet owner sharing what experiences I have had in helping my dogs with other pet owners.  If you have an emergency please call your vet.





January 17, 2018 at 3:37 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Donna
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Excellent advice, Jill! I think I would consider doing the same... Especially living in FL.

Marilyn, have you considered looking into other causes for the hair loss, such as Cushing's disease? It does sound like she is being bathed way too often, especially with the dermatology issue...has she been to adermatologist? I cannot remember...

Donna

January 17, 2018 at 5:22 PM Flag Quote & Reply

maddie ann
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Hi Marilyn

Give her a hug and you to .

I agree with both of the above suggestions i to think may be thyroid or even one of the auto-immune skin conditions which  VIT E  is great for but having dealt with this in my bridgedog VIT C can overstimulate...


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 ANN (UK).

Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now  10  DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2.

After 15 months on the B12 tablets with the intrisic factor she was retested and her b12 was 902 which gave me the confidence to continue without injections.

Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs)

Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has  b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/

She has panzym altough over the years we have had to increase the dose she currently has 1/2 tsp per feed.


January 17, 2018 at 5:43 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
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Thanks I am going to give her the vitamin E and then C .   AND YES I AM NOT GOING TO SHAMPOO HER  

THANKS PATSY I BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I HAVE ALREADY BEEN SEEING HAIR EMERGE ON HER TOP BACK.

Jill, No there is no hair really to cut any  more.... It is gone except for a few areas. There is absoultely nooooo way to cut her hair down.

Thanks for your concerns.


January 17, 2018 at 5:52 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
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Update on Ruby.... Some hair is now starting to emerge and some growing back....But she still has lost a lot of hair. Her dry skin is getting better and it is large areas.  But, the redness is going away on her skin I have placed cool wet cloth on her not dripping just wet for awhile and it has reduced her itchness, redness and help her to feel alot better.  She is eating very well and perfect poop.  So that is some good signs.

Incase someone needs to know about  Vitamin E...a little heads up. VITAMIN E  I tried it on her 3 different times over 3 day periods each time.  I just broke the capsule open and put it on her food.  THE PROBLEM  FROM THE VITAMIN E  .... GASSSSS alot and itchness more ... Oh boy, stopped using the VItamin E       


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January 27, 2018 at 9:46 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Terry Bin
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Sorry to hear what you are going through.  I am in the camp that the cause of the dermatology problem should probably be explored.  I understand your frustration and anger at the groomer.  In October while the pups were boarding we had Pharaoh groomed...and even though we do brush him (he doesn't like it) the undercoat was very matted and they recommended we shave him.  I said yes...what do I know....oh gosh!  Wish I hadn't.  They gave him a lion cut so mane and tail but the rest shaved.  And then of course people telling we shouldn't have done it.  Well it took 3 1/2 months but it's almost back to where it was and he looks great.  But lesson learned.  We try to have them groomed quarterly but he had been 6 months and that was too long for him.  Now that he has a coat again I'm looking at having him groomed but probably not the same person.

--

Terry

Mom of three EPI Shiloh Shepherds: 

Pharaoh born Nov. 2007 and dx with epi December 2009.   Pharaoh weighed 62.4 lbs. (15 lb. weight loss) when diagnosed in 12/2009.

Weight 10/31/11 was 76.6; 85lbs on 9/22/12; 85.5 lbs. on 11/13/14.

Received six weeks of B12 shots Jan-Feb 2010 but his B12 on 8/10/2010 was only 232. So started weekly shots at home, which we continue to give. 

His older half sister is Taiko born Sept. 2006  and was dx with epi June 2010.  Since she has severe bilateral hip dysplasia she had always been on the thin side.  Taiko's weight was 70.7 lbs. in June 2010 (time of diagnosis; about a 10 lb. weight loss).

Weight on 10/31/11 was 80.4 and on 9/22/12 was 82.4 lbs.  Weight 11/13/14 was 83 lbs.  B12 was 211 in June 2010 so started six weeks of shots and was only 293 on 8/10/10.  She receives B12 shots weekly at home.  B12 in September 2014 was over 1,000.

Both are fed twice a day and we use Merrick BG brand: 1 1/2  cups kibble in the morning with 1/2 can dog food with 4 crushed tablets and in the evening 1 1/2 cups to 2 cups kibble with 1/2 can dog food  with 4 crushed tablets. 

Moku was born 4/15/14 does not have epi.  His grandfather is Taiko's and Pharaoh's father (through his mother).  On 11/05/14 his weight was 78 lbs, on 12/11/14 he was 85.7 and on his first birthday 15 April 2015: 90.2 lbs.

January 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Paige's Guardian
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I am so sorry Marilyn that you have to go thru this and that I did not see your post.  I have been thru this with 2 of my current dogs.  I hate to say it but if you or the groomer bathed your dog she would have lost her hair eventually.  I was the one that bathed mine and yep, all of the hair comes out.  Actually, the vet was the one who wanted my lab bathed DAILY.  And, I did try but good lord bathing an 80 pound dog everyday sure was time consuming and eventually his belly was bald and he had no undercoat at all. 

So, the problems was exactly what Terry suggested: Dermatology.  My lab is allergic to anything poultry.  He started with just itching and ear issues that later resulted in hair loss.  At that point, I quit going to the vet because the weren't helping me at all.  I took him off all poultry.  His ear issues resolved and his hair started to grow back.

My Great Dane with malasbsorption started having issues at age 4 with itching, hives, etc.  Got dx from vet and special medicated shampoo.  Then, a few more trips to ER vet for hives and benedryl shot.  Then, she got patches of hair loss on her head and back.  Recommendation to see Dermatology Vet who wanted her off benedryl, shave her side to do pin prick allergy tests.  At that point, with the hives and hair loss, she couldn't be off benedryl.  So, took her to our regular vet and asked for allergy blood test.  She was allergic to exactly what I was feeding her:  lamb, rice, green peas.  She was also allergic to corn and mosquitos. 

She stopped being itchy after about 1-2 weeks off the offending allergens.  Her hair grew back.  No benedryl needed.  She has not had hives in over 2 years.  And, at one point she started getting itchy again and her dry food formula "new improved updated" ADDED green peas.  So, I had to look for another food w/o green peas.  Once I got her on that, all the itchiness resolved.

I hope that helped.  It sure is awful to see your dog hair less and horrible for the dog to be so itchy.  Benedryl was helpful until we could figure it out with my Great Dane.  I didn't try Vitamin E.  I think I did consider fish oil at the time but don't remember if I gave it to her.  I do give fish oil to my labs and they don't have any gassiness with it. 

January 28, 2018 at 6:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
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Hi Terry and Paige...Thanks you so much for sharing your experience on vets, hair loss and groomer. 

Terry, I wouldn't bring my dog back to the same groomer, but that's me.  I feel I should have stayed right there watching over my dog especially that she is a special needs dog so that I could have stepped in and collaborated with the groomer. Instaed of leaving my dog with one that just made her decision to wash my dog 3 times with medicated shampoo.  Scream.... anyway,  it is comforting to know others have had hair loss problems with their dogs.

I am  encouraged that Terry, your dogs hair grew back in 3 1/2 months.  It seems like forever but at least the hair grew back.   I had two collies years ago and brushed them once a week and took off any mats.  So they were never a problem for me.         

I noticed if I put a wet cool cloth on Ruby it helps her with any reddness and even some itching.  Also, I made up a white boys t-shirt  (cotton).  Cut the sleeves off for her front paws and cut a little larger opening for the neck area and cut a piece in the back and tied it loose so it wouldn't hang all over the place and that helped her from biting or licking herself. It worked before for her when she lost some of her hair from the meds the vet gave me to give her...so I thought why not do that again. It seems to be working and helping her stay away from any licking and chewing.  It works better than a cone.Really, they like to use their legs to scratch so what is a cone going to do to keep them from using their back legs. She is comfortable using the t-shirt.  well this may help someone else.  

Ladies thank you soooo much for sharing your stories it helps me to not feel so alone in this and encourages me that it can be alright.  Just hang in there I tell myself and with your input it helps me to stay calm.  Best to all who have responded.   Isn't it great to have a forum like this?   

January 29, 2018 at 2:09 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
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Hi, Little update on Ruby.  It is taking a lot of time BUT Ruby doo bee's hair is starting to grow back.  She still has ALOT missing, BUT hair is starting to grow back.  Some hair on her sides are very , very, very short but can see some growing with a magnifying glass (lol) yep.  What can I say. lol  Also, the hair on the ridge of her back is getting about an inch and a half long... she looks like she has a mohawk hair cut.  BUT IT IS GROWING and that is all I care about. 

She is so sweet looks bad but I tell her she is beautiful and she is in my eyes and will get prettier each day.  I am giving her Primal Defense probiotic. I read it helps with stress, hair loss, skin, etc.   So yep just started that a few days ago.

She loves her back and sides rubbed and scratched lightly...won't leave for about 20 minutes guess it helps with any itching from the hair growth.    Just wanted to update you on Ruby doo bee's progress.    

March 30, 2018 at 10:50 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
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Little update on Ruby.  Started to give her Primal Defense Probiotics about four times already.  1/6 of teaspoon in her food every other day.  Her engergy level changed, she is more alert and acting more like herself again.  What a differnce in such a short time. I guess I will keep this up and see how it all goes for her. It is great seeing her jump around and getting up on the loveseat and barking at whatever lol. She even wants to chase any squirrals on our fence.   So just something happier to report and let others know that sometime our dogs need the probiotic in their system.       

April 7, 2018 at 12:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jill
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Nice update on Ruby doobee, so glad to hear the hair is coming in and the probiotic is helping.
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   Jill-  Washington State

Mickey 6/21/99 - 8/29/2014 

17.5 lb  jack russell, chronic pancreatitis, hyperuricosuria,high blood pressure, hypothyroid, spinal stenosis

diet of  hard boiled eggs, macaroni,  RC Hepatic, mashed potato

2 #2 Dianes enzymes 6x premeal

 2.5 mg Amlodipine, .15mg soloxine am/pm, 100mg ursodiol started for gall bladder thinning

arthritis:  6.25mg tramadol 1x/day, 12.5mg gabapentin every 12 hrs,  Assisi soft loop used on back and elbow, 1- 540meq potassium citrate nightly

Denamarin once a day, 1/16 t tylan (150mg)  2x/day ,  Senilife started 12/14/13, Trixsyn sirup for arthritis, .1mg Adequan weekly by shot. 75mg Tylan 2x./day for SIBO

Optimmune for Dry eyes

 Kiya is Mickeys sister, 3/4 aussie, 1/4 blue heeler born 9/2006.  She thinks she is a 44 lb jack russell who tries to heel Mickey!!

TJ is the newest addition.  He is in the bottom picture with Kiya.  He was born 7/05/2015. 

I am not a vet, just a pet owner sharing what experiences I have had in helping my dogs with other pet owners.  If you have an emergency please call your vet.





April 7, 2018 at 10:10 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Doc's Mom
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Oh Marilyn that is WONDERFUL news!!!  So glad you have found something to help Ruby - you sure have been through the ringer with her.

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MADELON and DOC aka "BUBBY WUBBY"

Nashville, Tennessee

DOB: 4/3/2014 - Diagnosed EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
EPI Test Results: 1st test 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; 
2nd test 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; 3rd test 10/2015   TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4

Weight: 95 (highest 1/2015) - 76 (lowest 5/2015) - goal met 100lb (7/23/15) - 101.8LBS 12/3/15 - CHUNKY MONKEY

History prior to DX:  May/June 2014 (2mos old) - DX coccidia and bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos old) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Diagnosed SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May  2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop.

History since DX: has maintained weight between 95-101lbs since July 2015; extreme yeast and rod infection in ears; yeast infection paws (ongoing); bacterial eye infection; bacterial skin infection on legs; poops LIVE fly larvae; diagnosed with mild, focal superficial pyoderma (bacterial infection) - rare lesions on inner thighs; bacterial and yeast overgrowth lip folds; yeast overgrowth feet and left ear; metacarpal/metatarsal draining tracts/fistulae (infection and/or immune mediated disease; probable underlying allergy (food vs. environmental ); staphylococcus pseudintermedius infection in sores on paws; recurring metatarsal fistula - all issues resolved after NutriScan Food Sensitivity Test and switching foods.

NUTRISCAN Food Sensitivity Test (12/2015): reactive to chicken, turkey, white fish, wheat, white potato (mild), venison, soy (mild), pork (mild), duck (mild), corn - switching food based on test resolved all skin issues.

Serum Allergy Test (5/2016): Too many to mention

CURRENTLY :  6 cups Forza10 Legend Skin - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 2 scoops TotalBiotics 1x day; 600mg vitamin E; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Milk Thistle during heartworm/flea/tick meds

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions are based on my personal experiences, information gleaned from EPI research and information from other EPI owners.  Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet

SO THANKfUL FOR OUR EPI4DOGS GUARDIAN ANGELS!!!!!!!!

YOUR PAWS LEFT PRINTS ON MY HEART (in loving memory of Bugsy aka Boo Boo - Boston Terrier 14yrs - not EPI but medically challenging and totally worth it)


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