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Marilyn Marinelli
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Posts: 885

Hair Loss....Hi, My Ruby lost.....almost all her hair because of 3  medicated shampoos given at the very same time.  A dex shot from the vet.  ALso, was told to give her Apoquel which made her itch even more than she was already (this was to be an anti itch med) ...also from antibiotics just given a couple of days.  ALL THIS MADE HER ITCH SOOOOOOO MUCH THAT ALMOST ALL HER HAIR IS GONE...except for her head where she had lost hair to begin with from the shampoo time which they used some other hypoallogenic (?) shampoo on her face..... SHE IS NOT ON ANY MEDICATION, NO AM I NOT BATHING HER WITH ANY SHAMPOO.  WHY? BECAUSE SHE WAS ALLERGIC TO OATMEAL, ETC.    I have used nothing but plain cool water on her sides legs and back AND neck...yes there is no  hair there... her itching has subsided quite a bit and redeness is not as bad anymore.

Don't tell me to take her to a vet...why? because that above mentioned was what my vet told me to do... poor Ruby.   THE GOOD NEWS IS SHE IS EATING VERY WELL , GOOD POOPS AND IS BEING HERSELF EXCEPT FOR TIME NOW OF RESTING ALOT. HAS SOME HAIR GROWING BACK ALONG HER BACK I THINK SOME IS COMING IN ON HER SIDES BUT VERY, VERY SHORT.  MAYBE, BECAUSE OF FINALLY, A REST PERIOD FROM ALL THE ITCHING....

IF ANYONE HAS SOME KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT TO DO..... OR PRAYERS THAN JOIN ME TO HAVE HER HAIR RESTORED.... SHE DOES HAVE SOME ON HER HEAD, SOME ON HER TAIL AND SOME ON HER FACE..... THANKS FOR YOUR CARE AND PRAYERS. 


February 8, 2018 at 12:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
Member
Posts: 885

Oh I realize I posted some of this before and had good responses....So sorry to bother you again.  I guess it breaks my heart to see her with so much lost hair.  I see why she was itching so much from the meds and shampoo so I don't think I need a dermatologist.  It is not food related since she never ever had a problem with her food.  This all started to get bad with the meds and the shampoos...Oh well, sorry to bother everyone again.  Just so sad. 

February 8, 2018 at 2:06 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jill
Administrator
Posts: 3729
Hi Marilyn. Has it been suggested to you to get one of the test kits to use on Ruby to see what foods she has an allergy to? It might prevent future heartbreak. Just a suggestion. I am glad she has some hair coming in.
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   Jill-  Washington State

Mickey 6/21/99 - 8/29/2014 

17.5 lb  jack russell, chronic pancreatitis, hyperuricosuria,high blood pressure, hypothyroid, spinal stenosis

diet of  hard boiled eggs, macaroni,  RC Hepatic, mashed potato

2 #2 Dianes enzymes 6x premeal

 2.5 mg Amlodipine, .15mg soloxine am/pm, 100mg ursodiol started for gall bladder thinning

arthritis:  6.25mg tramadol 1x/day, 12.5mg gabapentin every 12 hrs,  Assisi soft loop used on back and elbow, 1- 540meq potassium citrate nightly

Denamarin once a day, 1/16 t tylan (150mg)  2x/day ,  Senilife started 12/14/13, Trixsyn sirup for arthritis, .1mg Adequan weekly by shot. 75mg Tylan 2x./day for SIBO

Optimmune for Dry eyes

 Kiya is Mickeys sister, 3/4 aussie, 1/4 blue heeler born 9/2006.  She thinks she is a 44 lb jack russell who tries to heel Mickey!!

TJ is the newest addition.  He is in the bottom picture with Kiya.  He was born 7/05/2015. 

I am not a vet, just a pet owner sharing what experiences I have had in helping my dogs with other pet owners.  If you have an emergency please call your vet.





February 8, 2018 at 10:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Doc's Mom
Administrator
Posts: 3150

Marilyn - I'm so glad to hear that some hair has started to grow back.  Unfortunately there are so many things that could be the cause like seasonal allergies, environmental allergies, food sensitivities - even though she's been on the same food my understanding from Dr. Dodds who is a leading expert in this area is that they can develope food sensitivities at any time just like people.  Another thought it is could be storage mites - I know Olesia went through a lot with her dog before figuring out it was storage mites.  My boy loses hair in places when he's having yeast and seasonal allergy issues.  I personally believe anything dealing with substantial skin issues like you have been dealing with you're better off to see a dermatologist.  I had to bite that expensive bullet with Doc two years ago - it was definitely worth it and we haven't had to go back since.  Sending lots of hugs and prayers.

--

MADELON and DOC aka "BUBBY WUBBY"

Nashville, Tennessee

DOB: 4/3/2014 - Diagnosed EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
EPI Test Results: 1st test 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; 
2nd test 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; 3rd test 10/2015   TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4

Weight: 95 (highest 1/2015) - 76 (lowest 5/2015) - goal met 100lb (7/23/15) - 101.8LBS 12/3/15 - CHUNKY MONKEY

History prior to DX:  May/June 2014 (2mos old) - DX coccidia and bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos old) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Diagnosed SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May  2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop.

History since DX: has maintained weight between 95-101lbs since July 2015; extreme yeast and rod infection in ears; yeast infection paws (ongoing); bacterial eye infection; bacterial skin infection on legs; poops LIVE fly larvae; diagnosed with mild, focal superficial pyoderma (bacterial infection) - rare lesions on inner thighs; bacterial and yeast overgrowth lip folds; yeast overgrowth feet and left ear; metacarpal/metatarsal draining tracts/fistulae (infection and/or immune mediated disease; probable underlying allergy (food vs. environmental ); staphylococcus pseudintermedius infection in sores on paws; recurring metatarsal fistula - all issues resolved after NutriScan Food Sensitivity Test and switching foods.

NUTRISCAN Food Sensitivity Test (12/2015): reactive to chicken, turkey, white fish, wheat, white potato (mild), venison, soy (mild), pork (mild), duck (mild), corn - switching food based on test resolved all skin issues.

Serum Allergy Test (5/2016): Too many to mention

CURRENTLY :  6 cups Forza10 Legend Skin - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 2 scoops TotalBiotics 1x day; 600mg vitamin E; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Milk Thistle during heartworm/flea/tick meds

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions are based on my personal experiences, information gleaned from EPI research and information from other EPI owners.  Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet

SO THANKfUL FOR OUR EPI4DOGS GUARDIAN ANGELS!!!!!!!!

YOUR PAWS LEFT PRINTS ON MY HEART (in loving memory of Bugsy aka Boo Boo - Boston Terrier 14yrs - not EPI but medically challenging and totally worth it)


February 8, 2018 at 1:34 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
Member
Posts: 885

Ruby's hair is very slowly growing...BIG QUESTION ...still having a battle with fleas on both my dogs....However, one dog can use the Advantage II....BUT RUBY CAN NOT....Because she lost sooooo much hair I can't put any on her shoulder area or butt area....and she can't take the 3 month flea meds because Olesia had stated it is toooo much poison at once for an EPI dog.

So if you have any ideas let me know..... I have had the house shampooed 3 times .... etc.  Long shot but maybe somewhere out there around the world someone else had the same problem  .... I DO EVERDAY TAKE ANY FLEAS I SEE OFF RUBY WHICH IS SOOOO EASY TO DO SINCE SHE HAS SUCH LITTLE HAIR.  WHAT A MESS.... BUT I WILL NEVER, EVER GIVE UP.   AND YES I KNOW WHY SHE HAS LOST HER HAIR AND WHY THE FLEAS KEEP COMING I HAVEN'T A CLUE.   EXCEPT MY NEIGHBOR SAID FINALLY FOR HER AFTER EVERYTHING SHE TOOK UP HER RUGS AND PUT DOWN TILE ....TOO BAD I CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT OR I WOULD EVEN RIP UP MY RUGS AND GET RID OF THEM.  

March 13, 2018 at 10:48 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jill
Administrator
Posts: 3729
Hi Marilyn, both my non EPI dogs do very well on Nexgard. It is a monthly chewable for fleas and ticks.
--

   Jill-  Washington State

Mickey 6/21/99 - 8/29/2014 

17.5 lb  jack russell, chronic pancreatitis, hyperuricosuria,high blood pressure, hypothyroid, spinal stenosis

diet of  hard boiled eggs, macaroni,  RC Hepatic, mashed potato

2 #2 Dianes enzymes 6x premeal

 2.5 mg Amlodipine, .15mg soloxine am/pm, 100mg ursodiol started for gall bladder thinning

arthritis:  6.25mg tramadol 1x/day, 12.5mg gabapentin every 12 hrs,  Assisi soft loop used on back and elbow, 1- 540meq potassium citrate nightly

Denamarin once a day, 1/16 t tylan (150mg)  2x/day ,  Senilife started 12/14/13, Trixsyn sirup for arthritis, .1mg Adequan weekly by shot. 75mg Tylan 2x./day for SIBO

Optimmune for Dry eyes

 Kiya is Mickeys sister, 3/4 aussie, 1/4 blue heeler born 9/2006.  She thinks she is a 44 lb jack russell who tries to heel Mickey!!

TJ is the newest addition.  He is in the bottom picture with Kiya.  He was born 7/05/2015. 

I am not a vet, just a pet owner sharing what experiences I have had in helping my dogs with other pet owners.  If you have an emergency please call your vet.





March 14, 2018 at 12:58 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Patsy
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Posts: 993

We had fleas move in for the summer a couple of years ago. We have fitted carpets, comfy chairs etc, so the little blighters obviously drooped eggs in nooks and crannies. I hoovered everything every day to no avail,and eventually bought the room spray bombs, set them off and went out with the animals for several hours.  That sorted the house out.   The vet prescribed me a tablet for the dogs,  a monthly one called Simparica, which worked,though I am nervous about any pesticide. I actually haven't had to give them any more doses.

March 14, 2018 at 4:10 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jean and Kara
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Posts: 7462

we did the samr Patsy, can I ask, does Ruby roll in fox dirt


jeanx

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Kara

 

From Liverpool England


born 21st July 2009


Adopted at five months old 26th December 2009

 

EPI dx August 2010


tli<1.00 folate 8.3 cobalimin 611

Antibiotics  2 Oxytet antibiotics 3 times a day also if we cannot fit the Oxytet in she has Tylan 1/8th teaspoon before her meals as a maintenanance dose

Food- Ashenbank Lamb Casserole  twice daily equalling 3 cups per day possibly more

Zantac (ranitadine) 75 mg 30 minutes before each meal as too much acid was being produced, causing shedding of bowel lining

Enzymes-Panzym 3 gram per meal twice daily ( 3/4 teaspoon ) 

B12 injection once every three weeks

One Chemeyes B12 with intrinsic factor of 40 daily

One Antepsin before bedtime

Allergies to beef, pork, chicken. and white fish confirmed by blood test

33.6 kilos in weight as of 5th May 2013

37 kilos as of 10th June 2014

40.65 kilos, 89.6 pounds as of 3rd March 2015

Vet says she is now processing her food correctly

Very proud of all of us

 

"UNCONDITIONAL LOVE WAS INVENTED BY DOGS"


I am not a vet, nor have veterinary experience, but have lived and breathed EPI for 51/2 years, and hope I can bring some support to others, as others have to me.

 

March 14, 2018 at 7:12 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Epi4Dogs
Site Owner
Posts: 17180

Years ago when we had a flea issue.... and no matter what i tried to do to get rid of them... I too was not successful UNTIL i used a house bomb.... Not sure if they are still done the same way nowadays.... BUT.... back then i had to remove all food and water (store in enclosed places) .... put the can of bombs on newspapers in each room..... take every living thing out of the house...set the bombs off and stay out of house for a minimum of 4 hours. when back in the house, open all the windows and doors.


Because our dogs are already compromised, if the above is the same technique.... i would double the amount of time to stay out of the house, and then still open doors and windows for another couple of hours to make 100% sure all toxic fumes are out.... but this ought to kill all those little nasty flea eggs burrowed in little nooks and crannies.


ALso... just to be extra safe.... i'd call the flea bomb company and ask to speak to the chemist/engineer, product develop mgr.  Explain that you have an EPI dog (immune compromised) and ask them their advice about using their product,,,,,

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Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable 9+ yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.... until she developed Diabetes and now cannot tolerate higher fat foods.

In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8+ years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes, Low Thyroid and High Cholesterol.  Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and  is currently  doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!  Because of Izzy's concurrent conditions of Diabetes and High Cholesterol we had to make changes to our daily EPI routine. We had to alter the fiber, type of fiber and the fat content her diet. She is now on an all home-made diet which she does best on and has even been able to reduce the insuline (Vetsulin:pork-based insulin) . Because of the diet change to all home-made i no longer worry about hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia- -she is much more even-keeled with a diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, sometimes a free range egg, cottage cheese,  fish oil+vitamins and bone meal. We tried Novolin N a human synthetic RNA insulin.... but Izzy did not do well on it. aside from all of Izzy's health issues.... she continues to wake up every day full of joy and a great sense of humor!

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal expereinces, observations, information gleaned from EPI research, and information shared with me by EPI researchers....that hopefully may help others. Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet.

March 14, 2018 at 9:14 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
Member
Posts: 885

Thank you all for your response.  I hesitate using the flea bombs ...I don't really know where to go with my dogs for 10 hours. Guess a motel room.  Anyway, just saying  Jean the Administrator...Ruby does not roll around in fox dirt or any other dirt.  She goes in stays outside awhile and likes to stay on the porch. I put a soft sheet out on the rug and she likes laying on it since the carpet must bother her because she doesn't have much hair and it feels better on her skin. 

I have used warm water which helps sooth her skin.  I also have tried to use VItamin E but it didn't work well for her.

  I did buy some Primal Defense probiotic because it says helps with any stress she has been under, reduces any inflammation levels in allergic dogs, any antibiotic use , helps with bacteria that is out of whack, autoimmune disease 

March 16, 2018 at 10:30 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
Member
Posts: 885

I will let you know how the Primal Defense Probiotic works for her in this situation.   I have used this probiotic before gave her in the past 1/16 of a teaspoon every other day mixed in with her food.  It is a powder form.  THis helped her in the past when she had too many different antibiotics given to her.  It helped replace the good bacteria and balance it out with the bad bacteria.  WOrked great for her years ago.  So I will let you all know how it will work for her now. 

March 16, 2018 at 10:38 PM Flag Quote & Reply

maddie ann
Administrator
Posts: 3678

Hello Marilyn have you looked at DE this article looks at dogs but also i know that if you use google there may be other suggestions for its use yrs ago Otto when he was young had a hot spot caused by a flea poor guy he didnt know what to do with himself i remeber having to have his neck shaved and the some sort of steroid  treatment was used topically so i can empathise with what you are going through...

http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/benefits-diatomaceous-earth/


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 ANN (UK).

Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now  10  DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2.

After 15 months on the B12 tablets with the intrisic factor she was retested and her b12 was 902 which gave me the confidence to continue without injections.

Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs)

Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has  b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/

She has panzym altough over the years we have had to increase the dose she currently has 1/2 tsp per feed.


March 17, 2018 at 8:01 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Riley's Mom
Administrator
Posts: 2001

I'm so sorry you are struggling with this so!

I had a bug guy once tell me to vaccum like crazy and empty the vaccum in your outside trash. If doing the flea bomb isn't feasable for you, (I would try to find a way if it were me), then vaccum like crazy, all your nooks and crannies, every day to try to break the flea cycle. You have to get to all those eggs waiting to hatch and get them out of the house. Wash everything that isn't nailed down and keep at it regularly until the fleas are under control. This way you have something you can try that isn't a pesticide. 

I would also recommend you do something to treat the yard. Not sure which route you would want to go on that...but if the yard is treated then less opportunity for the little pests to hitch a ride on poor Ruby.

--

Elisabeth

Riley's Mom from Chesapeake, VA

Riley, 8 yr old Labradoodle diagnosed September 2014 cTLI 1.6

Weight before diagnosis 40 lbs, lowest weight 33 lbs, ready for the Chunky Monkey club as she weighed in at a whopping 42 pounds on 12/19/14!

Update: as of 2/25/15 Riley weighs in at 44.2 pounds!

Update: as of 6/15/15 Riley weighs in at 45 pounds!

Feeding grain free kibble TOTW, 1 tsp of Diane's 6x enzymes per cup of food. (I mix the enzymes in something moist). She is a picky eater--lately feeding her on a flat plate is the way to entice her to eat. 1 cup in the am, 2 cups in the pm, 1 tsp of coconut oil per meal, 1 packet of FortiFlora probiotic in the pm meal.

Began weekly B12 shots 10/23/14. Holding on shots for now.

Began 1 Wonderlabs B12 in the morning, 1 in the evening. Capsule opened up and sprinkled on her food.


*I am not a vet, anything I share or suggest on this site is solely from my experience as an EPI dog owner. It is recommended that anything shared or suggested on this forum be discussed with your pet's vet.*

March 17, 2018 at 8:31 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Doc's Mom
Administrator
Posts: 3150

Oh Marilyn - I feel so bad for you and sweet Ruby.  I have only had a flea once when we first adopted Roxy 7yrs ago - the vet gave her Capstar and it worked wonders.  I treat my yard spring and fall with granules that takes care of fleas/ticks/ants - all kinds of pesty bugs and I give them Frontline every month.  Luckily we haven't had a flea since and never a tick.  I hope you get this sorted out so you and miss Ruby can relax a bit.

--

MADELON and DOC aka "BUBBY WUBBY"

Nashville, Tennessee

DOB: 4/3/2014 - Diagnosed EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
EPI Test Results: 1st test 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; 
2nd test 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; 3rd test 10/2015   TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4

Weight: 95 (highest 1/2015) - 76 (lowest 5/2015) - goal met 100lb (7/23/15) - 101.8LBS 12/3/15 - CHUNKY MONKEY

History prior to DX:  May/June 2014 (2mos old) - DX coccidia and bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos old) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Diagnosed SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May  2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop.

History since DX: has maintained weight between 95-101lbs since July 2015; extreme yeast and rod infection in ears; yeast infection paws (ongoing); bacterial eye infection; bacterial skin infection on legs; poops LIVE fly larvae; diagnosed with mild, focal superficial pyoderma (bacterial infection) - rare lesions on inner thighs; bacterial and yeast overgrowth lip folds; yeast overgrowth feet and left ear; metacarpal/metatarsal draining tracts/fistulae (infection and/or immune mediated disease; probable underlying allergy (food vs. environmental ); staphylococcus pseudintermedius infection in sores on paws; recurring metatarsal fistula - all issues resolved after NutriScan Food Sensitivity Test and switching foods.

NUTRISCAN Food Sensitivity Test (12/2015): reactive to chicken, turkey, white fish, wheat, white potato (mild), venison, soy (mild), pork (mild), duck (mild), corn - switching food based on test resolved all skin issues.

Serum Allergy Test (5/2016): Too many to mention

CURRENTLY :  6 cups Forza10 Legend Skin - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 2 scoops TotalBiotics 1x day; 600mg vitamin E; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Milk Thistle during heartworm/flea/tick meds

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions are based on my personal experiences, information gleaned from EPI research and information from other EPI owners.  Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet

SO THANKfUL FOR OUR EPI4DOGS GUARDIAN ANGELS!!!!!!!!

YOUR PAWS LEFT PRINTS ON MY HEART (in loving memory of Bugsy aka Boo Boo - Boston Terrier 14yrs - not EPI but medically challenging and totally worth it)


March 17, 2018 at 5:16 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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