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Alicia Perry
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My GSD, Cash, was diagnosed August 2017 with EPI. He is now stable (or at least I consider him to be - weight gain, normal stool, sufficient B12 levels, and no indication of SID/ SIBO). However, he seems to have plateaued with weight gain. The lowest he weighed was 67 pounds, and at his last vet visit in November he weighed 84 pounds - so he has definitely progressed. I haven't taken him to be weighed since then, but he hasn't gained any more weight (nor lost any that I can tell). The vet said he should weigh close to 90 pounds. He's not skinny, but lean. My question is, do any of you know of a good dog food that is high in protein and low in fiber?


My other GSD who is non EPI starting losing weight last summer, maybe 5 pounds (give or take), but the vet attributed that to him being so active and burning so many calories. I switched him to a high protein (30/20 blend) per the vet's suggestion and he put on weight immediately. He eats Purino ProPlan Sport - Chicken & Rice. Do you think Cash would tolerate this food well? The fiber is less than 5%, but I'm thinking I read somewhere on this website that EPI dogs don't do well with rice/chicken. Cash is extremely active like my other GSD and is probably burning a ton of calories. I've tried giving him more food, but he gets full and won't finish it. Any suggestions?

Thank you! 

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February 9, 2018 at 4:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
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This is my thought...I would leave my dog with the food that has been good for him.  He. like you said has a good B12 level no indication of SID/SIBO and has gained weight all great signs.  Since he is extremely active as you say and burning a ton of calories...If I was dealing with this concern I would probably feed him more food if that would still keep him balanced.  I wouldn't try playing around with another kind of food in hopes that he will gain more weight.

I know the vet told you, as you said he should weigh close   to 90 lbs.  ...84 lbs. is only 6 lbs. away.   As I shared keep the same food that is working for him and maybe you can add a little more.  I wouldn't try chicken & rice since EPI dog don't do well with that type of food.         I hope this helps you make a decision for your dog and helps keep you from any confusion of changing foods.       As long as your dog is doing well and is active I myself would leave it alone.     

February 9, 2018 at 6:07 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jill
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Since he has been stable for a time now you could also introduce coconut oil, as that is an added calorie input. You could try a teaspoon to begin with and monitor his poops.
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   Jill-  Washington State

Mickey 6/21/99 - 8/29/2014 

17.5 lb  jack russell, chronic pancreatitis, hyperuricosuria,high blood pressure, hypothyroid, spinal stenosis

diet of  hard boiled eggs, macaroni,  RC Hepatic, mashed potato

2 #2 Dianes enzymes 6x premeal

 2.5 mg Amlodipine, .15mg soloxine am/pm, 100mg ursodiol started for gall bladder thinning

arthritis:  6.25mg tramadol 1x/day, 12.5mg gabapentin every 12 hrs,  Assisi soft loop used on back and elbow, 1- 540meq potassium citrate nightly

Denamarin once a day, 1/16 t tylan (150mg)  2x/day ,  Senilife started 12/14/13, Trixsyn sirup for arthritis, .1mg Adequan weekly by shot. 75mg Tylan 2x./day for SIBO

Optimmune for Dry eyes

 Kiya is Mickeys sister, 3/4 aussie, 1/4 blue heeler born 9/2006.  She thinks she is a 44 lb jack russell who tries to heel Mickey!!

TJ is the newest addition.  He is in the bottom picture with Kiya.  He was born 7/05/2015. 

I am not a vet, just a pet owner sharing what experiences I have had in helping my dogs with other pet owners.  If you have an emergency please call your vet.





February 9, 2018 at 8:30 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Terry Bin
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Glad to hear that things have stabilized.  The thing I would check is the calories per cup of food.  I know it can really range and giving the same amount of one food is not necessarily the same as giving a cup of a different food.  Case in point:  years ago with 2 dogs with EPI we switched to the Costco brand of grain free....people who used it were happy and it was significantly less than the other brand we were using.  Fed the same amount of food...dogs were eating all their food but losing weight.  Finally looked at the calories and the Costco brand was quite a bit less per cup of food than the other name brand we were using.  Some dogs will eat all in front of them but all 3 of our dogs (2 with EPI) are not super food driven and do not always finish their meals (it really varies) but the food we have now has more calories so they seem to get enough calories.  Do some comparison of calories per cup of different kibbles and see if you can find one with more calories that is grain free and your pup likes.

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Terry

Mom of three EPI Shiloh Shepherds: 

Pharaoh born Nov. 2007 and dx with epi December 2009.   Pharaoh weighed 62.4 lbs. (15 lb. weight loss) when diagnosed in 12/2009.

Weight 10/31/11 was 76.6; 85lbs on 9/22/12; 85.5 lbs. on 11/13/14.

Received six weeks of B12 shots Jan-Feb 2010 but his B12 on 8/10/2010 was only 232. So started weekly shots at home, which we continue to give. 

His older half sister is Taiko born Sept. 2006  and was dx with epi June 2010.  Since she has severe bilateral hip dysplasia she had always been on the thin side.  Taiko's weight was 70.7 lbs. in June 2010 (time of diagnosis; about a 10 lb. weight loss).

Weight on 10/31/11 was 80.4 and on 9/22/12 was 82.4 lbs.  Weight 11/13/14 was 83 lbs.  B12 was 211 in June 2010 so started six weeks of shots and was only 293 on 8/10/10.  She receives B12 shots weekly at home.  B12 in September 2014 was over 1,000.

Both are fed twice a day and we use Merrick BG brand: 1 1/2  cups kibble in the morning with 1/2 can dog food with 4 crushed tablets and in the evening 1 1/2 cups to 2 cups kibble with 1/2 can dog food  with 4 crushed tablets. 

Moku was born 4/15/14 does not have epi.  His grandfather is Taiko's and Pharaoh's father (through his mother).  On 11/05/14 his weight was 78 lbs, on 12/11/14 he was 85.7 and on his first birthday 15 April 2015: 90.2 lbs.

February 10, 2018 at 1:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Paige's Guardian
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My Great Dane is not a big eater and not really food driven either.  When I was trying to get her to gain weight, it was hard and of course, everyone at the dog park commented on how skinny she was......well, you all know what I mean.

She also has had pancreatitis and I read somewhere that coconut oil was easier to digest.  She has been getting coconut oil in her food for years now.  She can tolerate up to 2 tablespoons per meal and gained weight with that.  She has maintained her weight.

I would not recommend switching foods if he is doing really well on his current food. 

Conny

February 10, 2018 at 6:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

maddie ann
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Hi Alicia when you say suffcient B12 levels what do you mean??  are you still supllementing with B12 it was Maddie key to weight management,.There are dogs on here that always seem to have that extra meal to keep the pounds on...also i agree with coconut oil suggestion.

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 ANN (UK).

Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now  10  DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2.

After 15 months on the B12 tablets with the intrisic factor she was retested and her b12 was 902 which gave me the confidence to continue without injections.

Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs)

Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has  b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/

She has panzym altough over the years we have had to increase the dose she currently has 1/2 tsp per feed.


February 10, 2018 at 1:46 PM Flag Quote & Reply

maddie ann
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Posts: 3678

Hi Alicia when you say suffcient B12 levels what do you mean??  are you still supllementing with B12 it was Maddie key to weight management,.There are dogs on here that always seem to have that extra meal to keep the pounds on...also i agree with coconut oil suggestion.


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 ANN (UK).

Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now  10  DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2.

After 15 months on the B12 tablets with the intrisic factor she was retested and her b12 was 902 which gave me the confidence to continue without injections.

Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs)

Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has  b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/

She has panzym altough over the years we have had to increase the dose she currently has 1/2 tsp per feed.


February 10, 2018 at 3:09 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Doc's Mom
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Hi - glad you have seen such good improvement.  I know the vet said your dog should be around 90lbs but I'm curious what that is based on?  I personally would not use a new food if the current food is working.  If you really want the extra 6lbs you could try adding coconut oil as mentioned above or feeding just a tad more of the current food. 

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MADELON and DOC aka "BUBBY WUBBY"

Nashville, Tennessee

DOB: 4/3/2014 - Diagnosed EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
EPI Test Results: 1st test 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; 
2nd test 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; 3rd test 10/2015   TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4

Weight: 95 (highest 1/2015) - 76 (lowest 5/2015) - goal met 100lb (7/23/15) - 101.8LBS 12/3/15 - CHUNKY MONKEY

History prior to DX:  May/June 2014 (2mos old) - DX coccidia and bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos old) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Diagnosed SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May  2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop.

History since DX: has maintained weight between 95-101lbs since July 2015; extreme yeast and rod infection in ears; yeast infection paws (ongoing); bacterial eye infection; bacterial skin infection on legs; poops LIVE fly larvae; diagnosed with mild, focal superficial pyoderma (bacterial infection) - rare lesions on inner thighs; bacterial and yeast overgrowth lip folds; yeast overgrowth feet and left ear; metacarpal/metatarsal draining tracts/fistulae (infection and/or immune mediated disease; probable underlying allergy (food vs. environmental ); staphylococcus pseudintermedius infection in sores on paws; recurring metatarsal fistula - all issues resolved after NutriScan Food Sensitivity Test and switching foods.

NUTRISCAN Food Sensitivity Test (12/2015): reactive to chicken, turkey, white fish, wheat, white potato (mild), venison, soy (mild), pork (mild), duck (mild), corn - switching food based on test resolved all skin issues.

Serum Allergy Test (5/2016): Too many to mention

CURRENTLY :  6 cups Forza10 Legend Skin - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 2 scoops TotalBiotics 1x day; 600mg vitamin E; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Milk Thistle during heartworm/flea/tick meds

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions are based on my personal experiences, information gleaned from EPI research and information from other EPI owners.  Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet

SO THANKfUL FOR OUR EPI4DOGS GUARDIAN ANGELS!!!!!!!!

YOUR PAWS LEFT PRINTS ON MY HEART (in loving memory of Bugsy aka Boo Boo - Boston Terrier 14yrs - not EPI but medically challenging and totally worth it)


February 10, 2018 at 8:19 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
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Posts: 885

Hi, I looked up the weight a German sheperd should be male and female.....see below I beleive this will help solve your concern and put your mind at ease.......

GERMAN SHEPERD......

Males

  • 23–26 inches (60–65 cm) tall at the withers
  • Weight between 66–88 lbs. (30-40 kg)

* Withers – the ridge between a dog’s shoulder blades and the tallest point of their body.

Females

  • 21-24 inches (55-60 cm) tall at the withers
  • Weight between 49–71 lbs. (22-32 kg)

* Height and weight are approximate

The standard calls for the above heights and weights to help keep the GSD built for work, health, longevity and performance. The standard size German Shepherd will be more athletic, have more endurance, have fewer joint issues due to weight, be a better sport or working dog and have an easier time just getting around in general.

February 13, 2018 at 1:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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