EPI * Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency

Hi All,

I am trying to gather some information from everyone in the group.  This could be use by all old and new members  Would you please answer these 4 basic questions with just a short answers.

1. Do you feed Raw?

2. Do you feed kibble?

    a. What brand?

    b. What name?

    c. Size bag?

    d. Cost for bag?

    e. Do you grind the kibble?

3. Do you feed canned food?

    a. What brand?

    b. What name?

    c. Size of can?

    d. Cost for can?

4. What kind of enzymes do you use?

    a. Brand name?

    b. Dosage used?

    c. Incubation time?

    d. Cost of enzymes?

    e. Number of meals a day?

Hopefully everyone will be able to use this info when your furbaby is stable enough to find a backup to your existing food.  We should all have a backup to everything we feed our pet.  With all the recalls that have appeared in the last few years, we all need to be prepared.

Frank Dajnowicz

1)yes,2) no, 3)no, 4a)pancreatin 8X, b) 3/4 tsp 16 oz, c) 1/2 hour, d) about 148/kilo,e) 3. 

Ayasha uses the following:

1. Do you feed Raw? NO

2. Do you feed kibble?  Yes

    a. What brand?  NutriSource

    b. What name? Pure-Vita Chicken and brown rice

    c. Size bag?  25lbs

    d. Cost for bag?  $46.99

    e. Do you grind the kibble?  No

3. Do you feed canned food?  Yes

    a. What brand?  Purina

    b. What name? Purina One "wholesome Lamb & Long Grain Rice Entree

    c. Size of can?  13 oz

    d. Cost for can?  $1.25/can

4. What kind of enzymes do you use?

    a. Brand name?  Pancreatin 8x

    b. Dosage used?  3/4 tsp/ 1 cup food

    c. Incubation time?  20 minutes

    d. Cost of enzymes?  $154.00/kilo

    e. Number of meals a day?  2

Frank Dajnowicz

A-no

B-no

C-Yes, Science Diet i/d, 1can divided into three meals with a 1/2 t. of enzymes on each meal.

can size 13oz

$1.85

D-PanaKare Plus Powder by NeogenVet

12 oz from Allivet is $99.00 with free shipping

1/2 t. each x a day

1. Do you feed Raw?no

2. Do you feed kibble?yes

a. What brand?wainwrights

c. Size bag?15k between 2 dogs

d. Cost for bag?£28ish

e. Do you grind the kibble?soak and mush

3. Do you feed canned food?no

4. What kind of enzymes do you use?

a. Brand name?tryplase

b. Dosage used?i cap per 1 cup

c. Incubation time?40mins

d. Cost of enzymes?£20 per 100 caps

e. Number of meals a day?3

1. Do you feed Raw?  No

 2. Do you feed kibble? Yes

    a. What brand?  DVP Natural Balance L.I.D.  (Currently transitioning to Taste of the Wild High Prairie - roasted bison & venison; so far he is not liking it very much (started the transition two days ago.)

    b. What name?  DVP Sweet Potato & Chicken; TOTW High Prairie

    c. Size bag?  DVP = 28 lb. bag; TOTW = 30 lb. bag

    d. Cost for bag?  DVP = $53; TOTW = $42

    e. Do you grind the kibble?  Yes

 3. Do you feed canned food?  No

    a. What brand?

    b. What name?

    c. Size of can?

    d. Cost for can?

4. What kind of enzymes do you use?  powder form

    a. Brand name?  Pancreatin 6x  (per Frank's earlier post with breakdown of cost, considering 8x on next order)

    b. Dosage used?  2-3/4 tsp per 2-1/2 cup kibble (Plan is to try to transition back to 1:1 ratio)

    c. Incubation time?  35-40 minutes

    d. Cost of enzymes?  $134

    e. Number of meals a day?  2 (does not always eat all of it in the a.m., so cutting back to 2 cups in a.m.  (If weight gain continues, will feed 2 cups per meal, as he is now at optimum weight for his bone structure - 78 lbs.)

THANK YOU, FRANK.  GREAT IDEA!!!:)

1. Do you feed Raw no

2. Do you feed kibble yes

a. What brand eukanuba

b. What name puppy intestinal

c. Size bag 7.5g

d. Cost for bag £15

e. Do you grind the kibble no soak it

3. Do you feed canned food yes

a. What brand nature diet

b. What name puppy/junior

c. Size of can 390g

d. Cost for can 79p

4. What kind of enzymes powder

a. Brand name panzym

b. Dosage used 1/2 tsp

c. Incubation time 20 - 30 min

d. Cost of enzymes £ 43

e. Number of meals a day 3

1. Do you feed Raw? No

2. Do you feed kibble? Yes

a. What brand? Taste of the Wild

b. What name? Wetlands

c. Size bag? 30 lbs

d. Cost for bag? $38.5

e. Do you grind the kibble? No

3. Do you feed canned food?No

a. What brand? N/A

b. What name? N/A

c. Size of can? N/A

d. Cost for can? N/A

4. What kind of enzymes do you use?

a. Brand name? Pancreatin 6X

b. Dosage used?3 tsp to 3 1/4 C

c. Incubation time? 60 min

d. Cost of enzymes? $134.00/kilo

e. Number of meals a day? 2

(excellent idea Frank!!!!)

1. Do you feed Raw? (sometimes, mixed in with kibble)

(I mostly feed 30% of every meal with cooked human grade meat...bought on sale.... saves me lots of money... dogs love it)

2. Do you feed kibble? (yes)

    a. What brand? (Natura Pet Products, Solid Gold, Diamond Foods, Earthborn Holistic)

    b. What name?(various gran-free: EVO small red meat, Barking at the Moon, Taste of the Wild, Earthborn Holistic-Primative Natural)

    c. Size bag? (I feed all 3 med-siz dogs (45+lbs) the same food, so i get the large size bag)

    d. Cost for bag? (Evo=$69, Barking ath the Moon=$65, Taste of the Wild =$42, Earthborn (med size bag) = $28)

    e. Do you grind the kibble? (no)

3. Do you feed canned food? (no)

    a. What brand? (n/a)

    b. What name?(n/a)

    c. Size of can?(n/a)

    d. Cost for can?(n/a)

4. What kind of enzymes do you use? (Powdered Porcine replacement Enzymes)

    a. Brand name? (EnzymeDiane 6x (generic)... I switched from Pancrezyme ..saves me about 60% in cost)

    b. Dosage used? (1/2 level teaspoon with any sized meal... before stablization; 1 level teaspoon with 1 cup food incubated at 20 minutes)

    c. Incubation time? (10 minutes)

    d. Cost of enzymes? (approximately (approximately $200 a year since switching to EnzymeDiane generic brand & being able to reduce Izzy's dosage to 1/2 teaspoon)

    e. Number of meals a day? (2 meals a day... before stabilization i was feeding 4 mini-meals a day)

Taya & Kathy at 11:05AM on Nov 07, 2009

A-no

 

B-no

 

C-Yes, Science Diet i/d, 1can divided into three meals with a 1/2 t. of enzymes on each meal.

can size 13oz

$1.85

 

D-PanaKare Plus Powder by NeogenVet

12 oz from Allivet is $99.00 with free shipping

1/2 t. each x a day

 

 

HI TAYA & KATHY, 

THIS NOTE IS GOING TO MAKE YOUR BANK ACCOUNT VERY HAPPY :-}}.  I USE TO BUY ENZYMES FROM ENTIERELYPETS.COM FOR $107 FOR 12OZ. POWDER THEN A FRIEND SENT ME AN ARTICLE FOR EPI WHICH AFTER A FEW PHONE CALLS LED  ME TO ''ENZYME DIANE'' (dianesales@roadrunner.com) WHO BUYS THE POWDER IN BULK AND MAILS IT TO HUNDREDS OF PET OWNERS.  NOW I PAY $134 FOR 2.2#  WHICH LASTS ME 6+ MONTHS GIVING 2 TSP. A DAY.  FROM WHAT YOU SAY THIS AMOUNT WILL LAST A YEAR AS YOU GIVE YOUR DOG 100% LESS THAN I GIVE MINE.  I THINK DIANE HAS A SMALLER AMOUNT YOU CAN BUY BUT IT PAYS TO BUY THE 2.2# AND YOU CAN ASK HER HOW LONG IT KEEPS.  DON'T BE AFRAID AS I HAVE CHECKED THE INGREDIENTS AND COMPARED IT TO THE PANCREVED I USE TO GET AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY THE SAME.  JUST EMAIL HER WITH YOUR CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS.    I USE TO PAY AROUND $380 EVERY 6 MONTHS.  THE BEST WAY TO STORE IT IS IN WHITE SCREW ON JARS(OLD VITAMIN BOTTLES)  IN A COOL PLACE AND NOT THE FRIDGE.   NOW YOU CAN SAVE A FEW HUNDRED $$$ AND USE THAT MONEY FOR FOOD AND SPOILING YOUR SWEET FURRY LOVE BUG.  HOPE I HELPED.

BETTY & SUGAR 

1. Do you feed Raw?  - Half raw half cooked.

2. Do you feed kibble? - (No)

a. What brand?

b. What name?

c. Size bag?

d. Cost for bag?

e. Do you grind the kibble?

3. Do you feed canned food? (No)

a. What brand?

b. What name?

c. Size of can?

d. Cost for can?

4. What kind of enzymes do you use? (Creon enteric coated capsules), plus Enzyplex supplement powder.

a. Brand name? (Creon 10000 )

b. Dosage used? (1 capsule per meal)

c. Incubation time? (No incubation needed for capsules, but I do incubate the Enzyplex supplement powder for 20+ minutes).

d. Cost of enzymes? ($38.00 per 100 capsules) plus $80 for 750g. tub of Enzyplex powder. 

e. Number of meals a day? (3 meals)

1. Do you feed Raw? Cooked meat

2. Do you feed kibble? Yes

a. What brand? Taste of the Wild Venison and Bison

b. What name? Diamond

c. Size bag? 30lbs

d. Cost for bag? $45

e. Do you grind the kibble? No

3. Do you feed canned food? No

a. What brand?

b. What name?

c. Size of can?

d. Cost for can?

4. What kind of enzymes do you use? Porcine

a. Brand name? Pancreatin

b. Dosage used? 8X

c. Incubation time? 30 mins

d. Cost of enzymes? $154

e. Number of meals a day? 2

1. Do you feed Raw?  No

2. Do you feed kibble?  Yes, small amount

a. What brand?  Hills 

b. What name?  i/d

c. Size bag?  10 lb

d. Cost for bag?  $29.39

e. Do you grind the kibble?  no

3. Do you feed canned food?  yes

a. What brand?  Hills

b. What name?  i/d

c. Size of can?  13oz

d. Cost for can?  $2.05

4. What kind of enzymes do you use?  Porcine

a. Brand name?  pancreatin

b. Dosage used?  1/2 tsp per 3/4 C food

c. Incubation time?  20 min

d. Cost of enzymes?   $134.00 kilo,  this will last Claire a long time

e. Number of meals a day?  3

1. Do you feed Raw?    No

2. Do you feed kibble?  Yes

a. What brand?               Natural Balance

b. What name?               Dick Van Patten limited ingrediant-venison sweet potato, switching to chicken s.p.

c. Size bag?                     28lb

d. Cost for bag?              around $50

e. Do you grind the kibble?     Yes, to a powder

3. Do you feed canned food?     no

a. What brand?

b. What name?

c. Size of can?

d. Cost for can?

4. What kind of enzymes do you use?     powdered porcine

a. Brand name?    Diane's 6x

b. Dosage used?      1 heaping t. per cup

c. Incubation time?      45 mins to an hour

d. Cost of enzymes?      $134.00 kilo

e. Number of meals a day?   four-1  1/2 Cup servings

1. Do you feed Raw?   yes and some cooked

2. Do you feed kibble?    yes

a. What brand?   DVP

b. What name?  natural balance

c. Size bag?   28lb

d. Cost for bag?   $70/Can

e. Do you grind the kibble?   yes if incubating, no if mixing with meat

3. Do you feed canned food?   no

a. What brand?

b. What name?

c. Size of can?

d. Cost for can?

4. What kind of enzymes do you use?  pancreatin from Diane

a. Brand name?

b. Dosage used?  varies - 1tsp per 1cup kibble, less if feeding meat

c. Incubation time?  currently experimenting with none

d. Cost of enzymes?

e. Number of meals a day?   two

Please note this dog has been stable for 2 years.

1. Do you feed Raw?   No

2. Do you feed kibble?   yes

a. What brand?    Canidae

b. What name?    Canidae ALS Grain Free

c. Size bag?        15/17 pound bag

d. Cost for bag?

e. Do you grind the kibble?  No

3. Do you feed canned food?   Yes in  rotation

a. What brand?   Innova, Blue Buffalo, Evangers, Eagle Pack

b. What name?   Innova Sr, B.B. Wilderness, Evangers Cooked Chicken, Eagle Pack Duck & Oatmeal

c. Size of can?    13 oz

d. Cost for can?

4. What kind of enzymes do you use?

a. Brand name?    AM LABS Pancreatin 6X

b. Dosage used?   1 rounded tsp per cup of food

c. Incubation time?    1 hour

d. Cost of enzymes?   134.00/kilo

e. Number of meals a day?   2

Jan & Kita

1. Do you feed Raw? No

2. Do you feed kibble? Yes

a. What brand? Burns High Energy Lamb and Rice (for underweight dogs)

b. What name? Burns

c. Size bag?       15kg

d. Cost for bag?£35.00

e. Do you grind the kibble? No

3. Do you feed canned food? No

a. What brand?

b. What name?

c. Size of can?

d. Cost for can?

4. What kind of enzymes do you use? Lypex (Vetplus)

a. Brand name?    

b. Dosage used?  1 capsule containing enteric coated granules per 100g food sprinkled on food

c. Incubation time? None required

d. Cost of enzymes?  £44.00 x 60 capsules (buy two or more bottles £33.00)

e. Number of meals a day? 3

Hi Frank,

This is an excellent idea!

1. ) Raw? No

2. ) Kibble? Yes: Natural Balance Dick Van Patten - chicken sweet potato or fish sweet potato formula - both Grain-Free

28-30lb bag @ 47.99+tax - do not grind but  I soak 10 min. in warm water before adding enzyme

3. ) canned - no

4.) Diane's Enzymes ( 2.2 kilo/ $135. approx) name: pancreatin 6x  -

I use1 tsp per 1 1/2 cups @ 3x a day. (* plus 1/4 cup of boiled chicken thigh or liver)

Incubation time: 45 minutes

and rinse Kody's mouth out with spray bottle - precaution / mouth sores

* at dinner meal prep I fix the next morning meal too, then refrigerate so Kody doesn't have to wait so long

I warm it in it's container for 20 min in warm water.

**correction** on the amount of enzyme! it is 2.2 lbs. which is 1 kilo! sorry...

diane d. , kody's ma

Frank Dajnowicz at 10:22AM on Nov 07, 2009

Ayasha uses the following:

1. Do you feed Raw? NO

 

 

2. Do you feed kibble?  Yes

    a. What brand?  NutriSource

    b. What name? Pure-Vita Chicken and brown rice

    c. Size bag?  25lbs

    d. Cost for bag?  $46.99

    e. Do you grind the kibble?  No

 

 

 

3. Do you feed canned food?  Yes

    a. What brand?  Purina

    b. What name? Purina One "wholesome Lamb & Long Grain Rice Entree

    c. Size of can?  13 oz

    d. Cost for can?  $1.25/can

 

 

4. What kind of enzymes do you use?

    a. Brand name?  Pancreatin 8x

    b. Dosage used?  3/4 tsp/ 1 cup food

    c. Incubation time?  20 minutes

    d. Cost of enzymes?  $154.00/kilo

    e. Number of meals a day?  2

Frank Dajnowicz

HI FRANK,  DO YOU KNOW DONNA WHO BREEDS PORTUGUESE WATER DOGS?  SHE IS THE LADY WHO LED ME TO OUR ANGEL ''ENZYME DIANE'' .  MY DOG ''SUGAR'' IS THE SISTER TO HER DOG HOLLAN AND THEY ARE 11.  I'M IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO CHANGE HER DRY DOG FOOD WHICH IS ''WELLNESS HEALTHY WEIGHT'' AND I'M NOT HAPPY I FOUND OUT IT IS 49% CARBS WHICH I DON'T THINK IS A GOOD THING SINCE CARBS TURN TO SUGAR AND I DON'T WANT HER TO DEVELOP DIABETES.  MY SUGAR GIRL IS ALSO NEVER SATISFIED AFTER SHE EATS CONSTANTLY LOOKING ON THE FLOOR FOOD AND BEING A SILENT BEGGAR UNTIL I GET UP FROM THE DINNER TABLE.  OLESIA SAID SHE THOUGHT SUGAR WASN'T STABLE YET AND I SHOULD EXPERIMENT WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF HIGH PROTEIN, LOW FIBER FOOD SO SHE WILL FILL HER TUMMY UP.  I WAS CURIOUS WHAT FOOD AND TREATS YOU FEED YOUR DOG?  I ONLY FEED SUGAR LAMB LUNG BECAUSE IT HAS ONLY 3% FAT AND THE REST IS PROTEIN.  I FOUND A REASONABLE PRICE TO PURCHASE IT ONLINE AT

petguys.com.  I HAVE A FEELING YOU MIGHT HAVE A PORTY TOO :-} 

TAKE CARE,

BETTY & SUGAR....................I WILL ANSWER YOUR SURVEY LATER WHEN I KNOW WHAT FOOD I'M FEEDING HER AFTER I DO SOME EXPERIMENTING.