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Okay guys, Ineed your advice, FoMoCo has been doing fabulous, weighed in last week at 7.9,her ideal weight I set for her was 7.5 so she was a Chucky Monkey! However Wednesday at her noon feeding I fed her a new grain free food mixed with her normal. When I got home at 7:00 she had vomited. I feed her at 7:30 her normal turkey food with enzymes incubated for 20 minutes. She kept that down for about 40 minutes and threw it up. That has been the way things are for a couple of days. I fed her a little that day at midnight to keep her blood sugar up and she vomited that. I didn’t try her again on food until this morning and it was the same thing. Right after she ate she starting getting uncomfortable, did not appear to be cramping as she did not tremble but she was very restless until about 40 minutes later when she vomited then she settled down. She has been drinking lots of water and doing the same thing with water keeping it down then throwing it up. She must be retaining some of the water as she is not dehydrated. Her tummy did get a little light grumbling after she ate but not bad. I think I am going to try feeding her again a smaller portion and see how that goes. I thought about starting her on tylan or metro but what good would that do if she is not keeping it down. Any help will be so appreciated!
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-- FoMoCo is her name, born Thanksgiving 2000. Diabetic since Sept. 2009. Switched from eating ground up Science Diet i/d to Natural Choice grain free limited ingredient turkey and potato formula.. 2 /2 Tab. every 6 hours, mixed with water and 1/2 Tab.crushed Pancrezyme, incubated for 20 minutes. Gave 1/4 tab (200 mg) of Metro BID for 30 days, now off all meds except insulin and Pancrezyme. Insulin given twice a day, 1 1/2 units of Humilin N. Blood sugar taken twice a day after every change and until constant. Has been getting B12 injects weekly for 6 weeks, now once a month.
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Member Posts: 914 |
How does her tummy feel? My non-EPI was doing something similar awhile back, and it turned out she'd gotten into the dog food and gorged herself sick. Her tummy was firm, and after she passed a rather nasty poo she was fine. But she kept throwing up and (if I couldn't catch her in time) eating it, then throwing up again later. | |
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-- Proud mommy to Vito, 3(?) yr old GSD. 90lbs, goal weight 85-90lbs (ACHIEVED!). Tested positive for EPI on March 30th, 2011. His TLI was 1.0, Cobalamin 225, Folate 22. Feeding 3 ups of Taste of the Wild High Prairie once a day with one heaping teaspoon of Pancreatin 8x enzymes per meal. Also proud mommy of a (non EPI) Belgian Malinois tripod named Lizzie. That means three legs. "Sometimes it takes an imperfection to create perfection."
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Member Posts: 78 |
I checked her tummy Alyssa and I don't think it is too firm. I did take her out and she had a poop, very very small firm little round turds covered in this nasty stuff!
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-- FoMoCo is her name, born Thanksgiving 2000. Diabetic since Sept. 2009. Switched from eating ground up Science Diet i/d to Natural Choice grain free limited ingredient turkey and potato formula.. 2 /2 Tab. every 6 hours, mixed with water and 1/2 Tab.crushed Pancrezyme, incubated for 20 minutes. Gave 1/4 tab (200 mg) of Metro BID for 30 days, now off all meds except insulin and Pancrezyme. Insulin given twice a day, 1 1/2 units of Humilin N. Blood sugar taken twice a day after every change and until constant. Has been getting B12 injects weekly for 6 weeks, now once a month.
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Member Posts: 1647 |
Vickey, I can't help identify that stuff (ugh - poor thing!) It's good that she did have a poop, although it was small. If she hasn't kept anything down at all since Wed., I'd be concerned about a possible blockage. It might be worth a call to the vet before the weekend and get an opinion from them. Good luck. Hope she feels better soon. | |
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-- Mom to Pixie, 7 year old sheltie,inherited from my mother-in-law 3/11. Dx of EPI 9/09. TLI in 10/09 was 0.4 ug/L. As of 12/2/11, Folate fasting levels was 13.6 ug/L, and Cobalamin fasting was 615. Current weight 21.7 lbs (4/13), solid member of the Chunky Monkey Club! Ideal weight around 17, I think, but she's not obese at this weight, so maybe 17 is a little low. Feeding grain free - Natural Balance canned lamb and Nature's Variety Instinct Limited Ingredient Lamb kibble. Giving slightly less than 1/2 tsp Pancreatin 8X per 1/2 cup of food. Tylan currently 1x/day. Also takes 1/2 tablet pepcid for stomach upset 2x/day. Primal Defense probiotics 1/8 tsp, 3x/week. Getting bi-weekly B-12 shots. Our little pack also includes my husband, our 12 year old sheltie, Lucy, and our 9 year old sheltie, Einstein.
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Member Posts: 983 |
Hi Vickey, I must agree with Shirl on this one. And, since it is Friday, I would try and get into see the vet, so as to save myself an expensive emergency room bill. I also think a blockage is likely. Cant really think of anything else it might be. Please let us know. Sending prayers and light your way. | |
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-- Brenda & Sailin Suzie. Worlds Greatest Boat Dog
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Member Posts: 78 |
I called the Vet and he "might" be back in this afternoon if not tomorrow. Mean time I fed her a very small portion at 11:50 mountain time and so far she has kept it down. Keep praying! | |
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-- FoMoCo is her name, born Thanksgiving 2000. Diabetic since Sept. 2009. Switched from eating ground up Science Diet i/d to Natural Choice grain free limited ingredient turkey and potato formula.. 2 /2 Tab. every 6 hours, mixed with water and 1/2 Tab.crushed Pancrezyme, incubated for 20 minutes. Gave 1/4 tab (200 mg) of Metro BID for 30 days, now off all meds except insulin and Pancrezyme. Insulin given twice a day, 1 1/2 units of Humilin N. Blood sugar taken twice a day after every change and until constant. Has been getting B12 injects weekly for 6 weeks, now once a month.
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Administrator Posts: 2146 |
Make sure you take that picture in if not the actual substance Vickey, I agree it need a professional opinion, no idea what that might be, it looks too voluminous to be stomach lining shedding we usually see with womething like SIBO so don't know... Craig Craig | |
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Craig Lulu (aka Miss Lulupants) is a 5 year old 'Red Shepherd' (Australian Red Heeler x Long-hair GSD) who lives in Adelaide, South Australia. Diagnosed with EPI in April 2010. Currently on one Creon 25k per meal;
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Site Owner Posts: 10053 |
Oh VIckey... that sure doesn't look SIBO related.... were you able to get her to the vet today? if so.. i hope you were able to bring that picture in to show them... Please keep us updated on FoMoCo.... hopefully they get her taken care of ASAP! | |
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-- Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.
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Member Posts: 2101 |
Hi Vickey, Please let us know what the vet says. You and FoMoCo are in our thoughts. Hugs to you. Barb | |
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Member Posts: 4434 |
Hi Vickey, Personally I have never seen a poop like that before. I hope you are able to get FoMoCo to a vet quickly - bring that picture - and prayers are all goes well. Please keep us informed. | |
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-- Michele http://gardensoftranquility.com/ Jackie - Diagnosed at 9 mos (09/09) - TLI 0.3 and low end of B12. Pancreatin 8x dosing 3/4tsp per cup. Natures Domain, Trinfac-B Intrinsic Factor daily, probiotics and Duralactin in the am. Mega-E: cisapride and metoclopramide. Stable and happy 122lbs - thanks to all the beautiful souls on this forum, we could not have done it without YOU. Dexter - Diagnosed 11/10 approx 3 yrs of age. We failed fostering and now he has his forever home
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Member Posts: 78 |
I know real wierd poop hun! Anyway a quick update before I leave for work, The Vet will be in today and I am curious what he will say. The good news is the small portion I fed her yesterday afternoon stayed down and I gave her 2 more small portions about 4 hours apart before we retired. She sleep well last night and woke up hungry, fed her just a little more on the morning feeding (about half what she was getting) she cleaned it up! So your prayers were answered yes! Will let you know more at lunch, thanks to all! | |
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-- FoMoCo is her name, born Thanksgiving 2000. Diabetic since Sept. 2009. Switched from eating ground up Science Diet i/d to Natural Choice grain free limited ingredient turkey and potato formula.. 2 /2 Tab. every 6 hours, mixed with water and 1/2 Tab.crushed Pancrezyme, incubated for 20 minutes. Gave 1/4 tab (200 mg) of Metro BID for 30 days, now off all meds except insulin and Pancrezyme. Insulin given twice a day, 1 1/2 units of Humilin N. Blood sugar taken twice a day after every change and until constant. Has been getting B12 injects weekly for 6 weeks, now once a month.
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Member Posts: 2101 |
Great to hear the improvement !! Keep us posted. Barb | |
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Member Posts: 78 |
At the Vets now, he said is was a very serious amount of mucus. Forms in the large bowells when something happens they don't like! She is still doing good, getting better and better, Thank God! | |
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-- FoMoCo is her name, born Thanksgiving 2000. Diabetic since Sept. 2009. Switched from eating ground up Science Diet i/d to Natural Choice grain free limited ingredient turkey and potato formula.. 2 /2 Tab. every 6 hours, mixed with water and 1/2 Tab.crushed Pancrezyme, incubated for 20 minutes. Gave 1/4 tab (200 mg) of Metro BID for 30 days, now off all meds except insulin and Pancrezyme. Insulin given twice a day, 1 1/2 units of Humilin N. Blood sugar taken twice a day after every change and until constant. Has been getting B12 injects weekly for 6 weeks, now once a month.
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Member Posts: 2846 |
Vickey, I'm glad to hear FoMoCo is doing well and getting better. Keep us updated. | |
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-- Kathy and Ted 10 yr old GSD rescue ~ gained 39 lbs
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Site Owner Posts: 10053 |
HI Vickey... that sure was a serious amount of mucus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO... does this mean whatever wasn't agreeable has now passed and that FoMoCo will be okay? I hope so. Glad to hear that she is acting much more like her self again. Pleae continue to let us know how she does ! | |
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-- Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.
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Member Posts: 78 |
Hi everyone! FoMoCo is still doing wonderful, my Vet put her back on Metro, maybe just a couple of weeks, not sure but I am sure she is doing well and her appetite is back! Oh and yes my Vet thought she would be fine with a little Metro, he said she has an immune system on steroids, that is why she responds so violently to anything her system doesn't like. I have some new pic and will post soon. Thanks again everyone! | |
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-- FoMoCo is her name, born Thanksgiving 2000. Diabetic since Sept. 2009. Switched from eating ground up Science Diet i/d to Natural Choice grain free limited ingredient turkey and potato formula.. 2 /2 Tab. every 6 hours, mixed with water and 1/2 Tab.crushed Pancrezyme, incubated for 20 minutes. Gave 1/4 tab (200 mg) of Metro BID for 30 days, now off all meds except insulin and Pancrezyme. Insulin given twice a day, 1 1/2 units of Humilin N. Blood sugar taken twice a day after every change and until constant. Has been getting B12 injects weekly for 6 weeks, now once a month.
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So glad to hear the good news! Keep it coming. Yay, FoMoCo and congratulations to you!! Barb | |
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Member Posts: 2846 |
i am happy to hear FoMoCo is doing wonderfully! | |
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-- Kathy and Ted 10 yr old GSD rescue ~ gained 39 lbs
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Member Posts: 2780 |
Hello Vickey - Glad to hear the appetite is back... a good sign your on the right track with the antibiotic treatment to clear things up and get her feeling spunky again | |
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-- ~Becky~
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Site Owner Posts: 10053 |
hi vickey...PHEW.... thank goodness FoMoCo continues to do well.... and now, i just gotta tell ya.... that sure was the weirdest looking poo i ever saw ! | |
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-- Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.
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Who is completely spoiled rotten, loves kids, and will be going into therapy dog training as soon as I can afford it.
At initial testing - TLI 1.2 (range 5-35) B12 254 (range 249-733) folate 20.2 (range 6.5-11.5) Natures Domain, Pancreatin 8x dosing is 3/4 tsp per cup, Trinfac-B Intrinsic Factor daily, probiotics with each meal and glucosamine chondroitin in the am. Hypothyroidism: Soloxine. Stable and happy 97 lbs.You must login to post.
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