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Angela
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Do you guys pretty much stop bringing your EPI dog(s) to pet stores like petsmart,petco, petexpo etc because the employees are so quick to shove treats in your dog's face without asking you?.  Well this has happen to me numerous times and i hate having to quit bringing Josie in with me because it's part of her socialization training but at the same time it really gets rather tiresome having to watch the employees around the store to make sure they do not just walk up grab a treat and give it to your dog without asking you.

Poor Josie i guess she'll have to stay home :(

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Angela&Josie

DOB: 5-26-2009EPI: 1/10, TLI score .3 and taking B12 injections bi-weekly. using 8x Enzymes w/ DianeEnzymes. Diet: Fromm duck/sweet potato kibble 4 cups a day Incubation time: 1 hour with approx 1 cup of warm water. Just started taking Primal Defense Probiotics.

February 1, 2012 at 9:29 AM Flag Quote & Reply

epi4dogs
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Posts: 7645

HI Angela..... what you might want to do is make a little cardboard sign-

" NO Treats Please! "  punch two hole on either upper side, run some yarn/twine and have Josie wear it when you go to the store.


I did something like this with my Izzy when i needed to raise money for one of our EPI fundraisers a long time ago.... (our sign said "Beggin for Bucks")... Izzy did not even notice it cuz it was so lightweight, but boy oh boy... everyone else noticed, read and contributed!!!.... this might be a fun and affective way to be able to continue bringing her and not worry)

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Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.

February 1, 2012 at 9:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jean and Kara
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Posts: 2190

what a good idea

 

we have the same in the uk only with perfume in large department stores when they insist on trying to spray you

 

its really dangerous

 

we take kara with us to pets at home which  we call the dog shop she loves it and we dont have that problem

 

jeanxxx

February 1, 2012 at 10:50 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Val
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Posts: 1560

We always go to Pets at Home too... they know us well after all the dogs we have taken in there. I have to say they were really good with Razzy and often walked round with us looking at ingredients in kibble because that girl had so many allergies.

I like a place that is animal friendly and listens to you when you say... no treats...!


Val

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February 1, 2012 at 1:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Miss Lulupants
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Time for a 'Do not feed me' personalised bandana perhaps!

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Craig

Lulu (aka Miss Lulupants) is a 4 year old 'Red Shepherd' (Australian Red Heeler x Long-hair GSD) who lives in Adelaide, South Australia. Diagnosed with EPI in April 2010. Currently on one Creon 25k per meal; 3.5 3 cups Canidae ALS grain free kibble per day + one Metagenics B12 tablet. Click here for diet/med details. Miss Lulupants' story has been archived but it starts here. Lulu currently weighs: 21.2kg (46.7lbs) = Chunky Monkey! (now on a diet) Target: 19.5kg/43lbs. Lulu is super-smart, a bit plump and very pretty (everybody says so - including her!).

February 1, 2012 at 2:20 PM Flag Quote & Reply

joenik
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I absolutely do not avoid taking Kain to Petsmart, we go every other week, faithfully.  Although some employess know us, by name in fact others who do not still offer treats.  In typical Nicole fashion, I look at the upside of this, I look at this as an opportunity to take the chance to inform the un-informed.  I will then proceed to explain why Kain comes here to be weighed and why he cannot have treats.  As long as I am on point, I will usually remember to tell the cashier prior to checking out, but sometimes if the girls are acting out and Kain sees another dog and is excited, then i am rumbling in the purse to get the discount card, coupons, money, well, you know.  Then I usually say that I will take a treat home for Angel, who is not able to be here.  The time before last that I was there, after explaining about kain's EPI, the young lady yelled to her co-worker, that is what the lady thought her dog had that was here last week. She told me she had a brochure, I pulled out my EPI card and asked her if thatwas the same logo that was on the brochure?  She replied yes.  I am assuming that it was the brochure that I hung on the community board at pet Supplies Plus. Yes, some hang out in bars, while I hang out in pet stores, basically costs the same, but usually I feel better when I leave the pet store! 

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Kain, 4 yr. old GSD, Mom, Nicole, Dad, Joe, Sister Angel, 7 year old GSD, Sister Noni, 7 year old cat, and Twin Sisters, Eva and Mia, age 4. B-12: 369, TLI: less than 1, Folate: 15.7.Started Enzymes 1/14/11, 1 tsp./c, 2 1/2 cups fed once daily and 1 cup fed once daily. Nature's Variety, TOTW, Back to Basics, California Natural, all in monthly rotation, Let enzymes set 30 min. Low weight, 48 lbs, down from high of ONLY 66. Bi-Weekly B-12 shot of 1.4ml. All time high weight EVER on 12/11/11 at 71 lbs., one of the happiest days of my life, honestly, it is up there with some memorable days! *NEW WEIGHT of 76 lbs.!* 

February 1, 2012 at 2:36 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Addiemoose
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Posts: 257

I have been checking into vests for our dogs, similiar to the ones that working dogs wear. My thoughts would be that on one side it could say please do not feed me, while the other side would have the EPI4Dogs logo on it. Would really help raise awareness for EPI & protect our dogs from getting treats from well-intentioned strangers.

I already use a bright orange hunting vest on Addie when our family comes in for the holidays. The house is full of 20+ people & of course Addie is begging from everyone who has a handful of Chex-mix! It really works to remind family NOT to feed her.

Thoughts? Is this idea worth pursuing?

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Kelli & Addie

 

  • Shetland Sheepdog, 4 yr- old female, diagnosed 7/18/11
  • TLI- 1.6, Folate- >24
  • Cobalamine <150 at diagnosis. Over 900 10-13-11
  • Weight- 28 lbs, currently- 40lbs= over her Goal Weight! On a diet!
  • Canidae Pure Elements- 1/2 C- 3 X Day, with 1/2 tsp 8x- Enzyme Diane) mix & set 20 minutes. 
  • B-12 shots every 2 weeks
  • Tylan- almost all the time- SIBO keeps coming back
  • Coconut oil- 8-31-11- 1/4 tsp
  • Prilosec 10mg/twice daily

 

February 1, 2012 at 5:24 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Maezi & wanda
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Posts: 260
Before maezi wAs dx with EPI the staff at petland & petcetera always gave her treats - now the staff knows us when we go in and don't offer any treats but show us any new 'indestructible' toys they have in =} .., also they have helped go thru all the foods and even brought in some grainfree liver treats. But the vest idea sounds good !
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Maezi is a female  Australian cattle dog (blue Heeler) from BC Canada born may 11-2010

The story of her journey and struggles with EPI are featured on the EPI stories section above

 

 

February 1, 2012 at 6:42 PM Flag Quote & Reply

epi4dogs
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Posts: 7645

I am lovin' BOTH the "DO NOT FEED" vest and bandanna ideas!!!!!!!!

With the vest.... if we can have some made with a little pouch/pocket.... i can do mini brochures or index cards to tuck inside to hand out ;)

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Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.

February 1, 2012 at 9:24 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Angela
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Posts: 31

I love the vest idea as well!!! anyone here sell the banadas ?.

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Angela&Josie

DOB: 5-26-2009EPI: 1/10, TLI score .3 and taking B12 injections bi-weekly. using 8x Enzymes w/ DianeEnzymes. Diet: Fromm duck/sweet potato kibble 4 cups a day Incubation time: 1 hour with approx 1 cup of warm water. Just started taking Primal Defense Probiotics.

February 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Dar
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Posts: 649

Great ideas folks !!!!!

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  Dar and Kodi

Kodi (GSD female , born August 19, 2010 , was diagnosed July 15, 2011 at 11 months .Lowest weight, 47 lbs, weight as of  2/ 20/ 2012  59.6 lbs. Our goal for her at this time is 60lbs.  ... We made it !!!    60.4 lbs on March 31, 2012 .  TLI .07 , Folate 9.4 , Cobalmin 536 .Kodi eats TOTW Sierra Mountain (Lamb and sweet potato, grain free), 2 cups,2 times a day  with 1 teaspoon of pancreatin 8x per cup., recently  added  small lunch(1 cup plus 1 teas. enzymes) enzymes ( From Diane...awesome lady!!!) , with warm water and letting it sit for 30 minutes .  She is our furry kid whom just loves playing with the grandkids !!!!

February 2, 2012 at 9:57 AM Flag Quote & Reply

epi4dogs
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Posts: 7645

YES!!!!      EnzymeDiane sells Bandannas ;)


http://www.enzymediane.com/epibandanaorders.htm

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Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.

February 2, 2012 at 10:34 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Cheryl S
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Posts: 474

I love the vest idea!! Bandanas too~

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Cheryl~~~Loved by Gabi (and Gus): dx'd 3/09 at 2 yrs old, cTLI 1.5. Currently 71.4 lbs. Was 52.5 lbs 09/10. Twice a day: 2cups California Naturals Grain Free Lamb w/ 1 tsp salmon oil, 100 mg Vit E, & 2 Tbls pumpkin; 1-1/2 tsp Pancreatin 8x mixed w/ 2 tsp Party Animal Salmon canned dog food & 1/8 tsp L-Glutamine given as a gruel right before feeding. Probiotic & B12 MIF once a day. Long term for IBD: Methlyprednisolone 4mg once a day .

Wausau, WI

February 2, 2012 at 1:25 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Addiemoose
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Posts: 257

I called Patriot Paws folks yesterday & got the name of their harness source. There dog's harnesses are awesome. They have their own embroidery done locally. I also have a local source for embroidery so I will begin to investigate this idea further.

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Kelli & Addie

 

  • Shetland Sheepdog, 4 yr- old female, diagnosed 7/18/11
  • TLI- 1.6, Folate- >24
  • Cobalamine <150 at diagnosis. Over 900 10-13-11
  • Weight- 28 lbs, currently- 40lbs= over her Goal Weight! On a diet!
  • Canidae Pure Elements- 1/2 C- 3 X Day, with 1/2 tsp 8x- Enzyme Diane) mix & set 20 minutes. 
  • B-12 shots every 2 weeks
  • Tylan- almost all the time- SIBO keeps coming back
  • Coconut oil- 8-31-11- 1/4 tsp
  • Prilosec 10mg/twice daily

 

February 2, 2012 at 1:28 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Foster
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Posts: 20
What about a smaller local store. We have a little mom and pop type place that we love. They only have 3 employees. The know us, know our dogs, know who can have what treats. They know which dogs have behavior/fear issues and how to help make the most out of a social outing.
February 4, 2012 at 12:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

AK GSD
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Posts: 2548

Foster -


That's us also... small local mom & pop type place that we love!  Along with no problems with unauthorized treats, they have been soooooooo wonderful at helping us special order in the food that we need for our pup, Boss.  


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~Becky~

February 4, 2012 at 2:40 PM Flag Quote & Reply

joenik
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Posts: 751

That is a great idea, but do you guys run into the products being more expensive there?  There is one specialty shoppe near us, but the price is so much higher.  I really love to support local businesses, but it is so hard with one income, 2 3 year olds, 2 cats, 2 dogs... every dollar counts.  What are your experiences with the cost?

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Kain, 4 yr. old GSD, Mom, Nicole, Dad, Joe, Sister Angel, 7 year old GSD, Sister Noni, 7 year old cat, and Twin Sisters, Eva and Mia, age 4. B-12: 369, TLI: less than 1, Folate: 15.7.Started Enzymes 1/14/11, 1 tsp./c, 2 1/2 cups fed once daily and 1 cup fed once daily. Nature's Variety, TOTW, Back to Basics, California Natural, all in monthly rotation, Let enzymes set 30 min. Low weight, 48 lbs, down from high of ONLY 66. Bi-Weekly B-12 shot of 1.4ml. All time high weight EVER on 12/11/11 at 71 lbs., one of the happiest days of my life, honestly, it is up there with some memorable days! *NEW WEIGHT of 76 lbs.!* 

February 4, 2012 at 4:13 PM Flag Quote & Reply

AK GSD
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Posts: 2548

Hello Nicole - Savings?  Unfortunately that word and the food/medicine for Boss cannot be used in the same sentance :roll:  I am happy with the prices at the place where I shop... but then maybe I am used to the sticker shock of so many things up here in Alaska being higher priced than the Lower 48 states and just thankful to even have the availability locally nowadays as that has not always been the case.  Here is a link to the place we shop showing their current sales pricing...


http://www.alaskamillandfeed.com/events/events.html



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~Becky~

February 4, 2012 at 5:02 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Paula
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Posts: 787

We have only one local pet store for now. It's a mom and pop.  The big stores are 30 miles away. The Dog House (as it's named) sometimes overcharges, if so I buy online. Also like supporting the local guy. Unfortunately(?), PetSmart is coming to town in a few months. I figure the Dog House is going to shut down. Too bad, I'd rather support small business.

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Paula and Maya (bday 12/21/06) (diagnosed 10/26/10 TLi 1.5, B12 659 (ref:249-733), weight 52 lbs. After 30 days, retested B12/folate - B12 plummeted to 200, which greatly affected her personality. After following B12 protocol, currently giving weekly B12 shots at home. Weight on 4/24/12: 72 lbs - the picture of health.

February 4, 2012 at 5:14 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Michele
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Love the idea of the small mom and pop also!    We go to Petsmart but because I am the chatter I am - they all got to know Jackie and about her EPI.   If someone new stopped to ask about her the first thing I did was say she has EPI and is on a special diet.    Sounds like the people down south are quicker on the trigger finger than us up north!    You might want to speak with the mgmt and tell them to inform their employees not to give pets treats without asking the guardians first because of conditions like EPI - it's a small thing, but it may help.

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Michele


"No matter how little money and how few possessions you own, having a dog makes you rich" - having 2 makes you even richer!   :-)


Jackie (back in pic) Diagnosed at 9 mos (09/09) - TLI 0.3 and low end of B12.  Pancreatin 8x dosing 3/4tsp per cup.   Natures Domain, Trinfac-B Intrinsic Factor daily, probiotics and Duralactin in the am. Stable and happy 115 lbs - thanks to all the beautiful souls on this forum, we could not have done it without YOU.

Dexter - Diagnosed 11/10 approx 3 yrs of age.   We failed fostering and now he has his forever home :)   At initial testing - TLI 1.2 (range 5-35) B12 254 (range 249-733) folate 20.2 (range 6.5-11.5)   Natures Domain, Pancreatin 8x dosing is 1tsp per cup, Trinfac-B Intrinsic Factor daily, probiotics with each meal and glucosamine chondroitin in the am.  Stable and happy 95 lbs 8/15/11

February 4, 2012 at 5:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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