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we got home from work yesterday to find she had somehow got a tub of cheese biscuits and ate the lot
she was having a mild panic by the door before we went to bed so out she went
this morning we get up
geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
it was everywhere up the walls on the carpet up the stairs,in her ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and everywhere else
talk about the s..t hitting the fan
it was the only thing it hadnt hit
so out comes the trusty cleaner and the white vinegar again and down go the antibiotics big time
,this time only the oxytet will do and it was three which is ok so long as it is only once or twice
ordinarily its two three times a day
anyway its done the trick she is fine
but it proves to me yet again that grain is not for us and how devious she can be
The box was well out of reach
one tired Jean and a knackered Kara
As for Derek he is my hero he cleaned it all up whilst I took her out
team spirit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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-- Kara:: adopted at five months old 26th December 2009 always hungry more than any of my other dogs became noticeably distressed August 2010 Two vet visits and............. Diagnosed with EPI at 14 months old September 2010 tli<1.00 folate 8.3 cobalimin 611 taking 2 Oxytet antibiotics 3 times a day and eating Nutrix grain free duck and potato kibble and starting to put weight on currently 33 kilos as of 20th June 2011 we also use Tylan if we dont have the time to use the oxytet as it has to be on an empty tum, enzymes at the moment Pancrex granules 3 teaspoons per meal she is 2 yrs old as of 21st July 2011 "UNCONDITIONAL LOVE WAS INVENTED BY DOGS"
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Administrator Posts: 1945 |
But glad she's alright... | |
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Craig Lulu (aka Miss Lulupants) is a 4 year old 'Red Shepherd' (Australian Red Heeler x Long-hair GSD) who lives in Adelaide, South Australia. Diagnosed with EPI in April 2010. Currently on one Creon 25k per meal;
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Sounds like a truly horrible mess, but glad she is recovering. Time for a glass of wine and to put your feet up! Certainly was the grain, but how is she otherwise with dairy as it could also have been the addition of there being cheese in the biscuits! I love our big dogs, but hated the day they got large enough to counter surf. Taiko got into an avocado when she had just gotten big enough (I had put it all the way to the back of the counter out of her reach, so I thought) and I spoke with pet poison control who had us induce vomiting...was NOT a pretty sight.....but at least we were able to confine it to one area. | |
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-- Terry Mom of two EPI Shiloh Shepherds: Pharaoh born Nov. 2007 (dx December 2009) and his older half sister,Taiko born Sept. 2006 (dx June 2010). Pharaoh was 62.4 lbs. when diagnosed in 12/2009 and 10/31/11 his weight was 76.6 and 82.5 lbs on 1/28/12. Received six weeks of B12 shots Jan-Feb 2010 but his B12 on 8/10/2010 was only 232. Taiko's weight was 70.7 lbs. in June 2010 (time of diagnosis) and on 10/31/11 was 80.4 and on 1/28/12 was 84 (2 lbs. over vet's max weight for her). B12 was 211 in June 2010 and 293 on 8/10/10 (after getting weekly shots). Both pups receive B12 shots weekly at home. Both are fed twice a day Costco grain free brand: 2 cups kibble in the morning with 4 crushed tblets and 2 1/2 cups evening with 4 1/2 crushed tablets; plus each meal also get cooked ground turkey (app 1/4 lb. each meal) or half a can of dog food.
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Naughty Kara, to cause your mom such a scare! And such a mess! Hats off to Derek, the man of the hour.....hell would freeze over before my husband would clean up such a mess, I hate to say. Glad that she is ok now!
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Member Posts: 1560 |
Uggggh... thank goodness for white vinegar and a steam cleaner. Big dogs make BIG poop mess. Razzy wasn't a counter surfer the only time she did she stole Benji spaniels dinner... and DELIGHT... it turned out to be the only kibble she could tolerate. Val | |
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Member Posts: 649 |
Lucky you Jean !!! Does Derek give lessons ?!!!!!?!!!!? My husband needs them !!!! LOL Glad all is well.... | |
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-- Dar and Kodi Kodi (GSD female , born August 19, 2010 , was diagnosed July 15, 2011 at 11 months .Lowest weight, 47 lbs, weight as of 2/ 20/ 2012 59.6 lbs. Our goal for her at this time is 60lbs. ... We made it !!! 60.4 lbs on March 31, 2012 . TLI .07 , Folate 9.4 , Cobalmin 536 .Kodi eats TOTW Sierra Mountain (Lamb and sweet potato, grain free), 2 cups,2 times a day with 1 teaspoon of pancreatin 8x per cup., recently added small lunch(1 cup plus 1 teas. enzymes) enzymes ( From Diane...awesome lady!!!) , with warm water and letting it sit for 30 minutes . She is our furry kid whom just loves playing with the grandkids !!!!
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Member Posts: 2548 |
Sorry to hear Kara went on an unauthorized unenzymed cheese biscuit binge... and later paid the price | |
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-- ~Becky~
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Member Posts: 751 |
Oh wow, I am sorry to hear that you needed to go through all this, her being sick and the mess. You are in fact fortunate that you had a good cleaner on hand. Once in a blue moon Joe will clean up. Usually only dogs though, Cats are strictly my problem and if the girls vomit he waits for Angel and Kain to lick it up, then yells, "No Kain, not you, just Angel, let Angel lick it up." HE'S ALL MINE LADIES, HE'S ALL MINE. HE'S A GEM ALRIGHT! | |
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-- Kain, 4 yr. old GSD, Mom, Nicole, Dad, Joe, Sister Angel, 7 year old GSD, Sister Noni, 7 year old cat, and Twin Sisters, Eva and Mia, age 4. B-12: 369, TLI: less than 1, Folate: 15.7.Started Enzymes 1/14/11, 1 tsp./c, 2 1/2 cups fed once daily and 1 cup fed once daily. Nature's Variety, TOTW, Back to Basics, California Natural, all in monthly rotation, Let enzymes set 30 min. Low weight, 48 lbs, down from high of ONLY 66. Bi-Weekly B-12 shot of 1.4ml. All time high weight EVER on 12/11/11 at 71 lbs., one of the happiest days of my life, honestly, it is up there with some memorable days! *NEW WEIGHT of 76 lbs.!*
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Administrator Posts: 1945 |
Hey Nicole, tell Joe thanks for the tip. Pure gold. | |
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Craig Lulu (aka Miss Lulupants) is a 4 year old 'Red Shepherd' (Australian Red Heeler x Long-hair GSD) who lives in Adelaide, South Australia. Diagnosed with EPI in April 2010. Currently on one Creon 25k per meal;
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Member Posts: 2190 |
Derek is well pleased with the commendations
the little girl seems to have got over it now but she smells through her coat of poo
she will have to be dare i say the word bathed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!that should be fun
i do not understand dogs they will go in mud pools rivers the sea and anywhere were water is
introduce the bath into the equation and they are gone
anyway thanks for the sympathy it was well appreciated and proves a point to anyone new to the forum
jeanx | |
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-- Kara:: adopted at five months old 26th December 2009 always hungry more than any of my other dogs became noticeably distressed August 2010 Two vet visits and............. Diagnosed with EPI at 14 months old September 2010 tli<1.00 folate 8.3 cobalimin 611 taking 2 Oxytet antibiotics 3 times a day and eating Nutrix grain free duck and potato kibble and starting to put weight on currently 33 kilos as of 20th June 2011 we also use Tylan if we dont have the time to use the oxytet as it has to be on an empty tum, enzymes at the moment Pancrex granules 3 teaspoons per meal she is 2 yrs old as of 21st July 2011 "UNCONDITIONAL LOVE WAS INVENTED BY DOGS"
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Member Posts: 2190 |
hey Derek is considering taking cleaning as a career move
this will be short lived i can assure you
when you have one of these it makes life much easier to deal with dogs
http://www.vax.co.uk/shop/product/carpet-cleaners/heated/Dual-V-Vax-V-124A
something similar is essential
jean | |
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-- Kara:: adopted at five months old 26th December 2009 always hungry more than any of my other dogs became noticeably distressed August 2010 Two vet visits and............. Diagnosed with EPI at 14 months old September 2010 tli<1.00 folate 8.3 cobalimin 611 taking 2 Oxytet antibiotics 3 times a day and eating Nutrix grain free duck and potato kibble and starting to put weight on currently 33 kilos as of 20th June 2011 we also use Tylan if we dont have the time to use the oxytet as it has to be on an empty tum, enzymes at the moment Pancrex granules 3 teaspoons per meal she is 2 yrs old as of 21st July 2011 "UNCONDITIONAL LOVE WAS INVENTED BY DOGS"
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Member Posts: 1560 |
Oooh I LIKE that but since most of the floors are (were with Razzy ) tiles, now they are mats to stop Cassie slipping... one of those would be great for the mats. At present I have a vax vac cum carpet washer to lift the dirt and a high power steamer to kill the dust mites that used to bother Razzy. That one of yours would do both.... must think about it with lots of mats to wash, they get really dirty when Cass brings in half a tree to chew up. I MAY even get Rob to use it you never know! At the moment he bolts at the sight of a vacuum cleaner and Cass has to be shut out because she attacks the electric cable. Ain't life fun? Val | |
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OMG! I am so excited cause I am a clean freak and someone else has a VAX! But of course you do cause VAX to you in your location is like Dyson to the U.S. Joe bought me a VAX cause thay actually have more suction than a Dyson, but that was a few years ago, and most stores do not even sell them here anymore. LOVE LOVE LOVE VAX! We could be the new spokespeople! I love to see all the fur it sucks up, beautiful! | |
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-- Kain, 4 yr. old GSD, Mom, Nicole, Dad, Joe, Sister Angel, 7 year old GSD, Sister Noni, 7 year old cat, and Twin Sisters, Eva and Mia, age 4. B-12: 369, TLI: less than 1, Folate: 15.7.Started Enzymes 1/14/11, 1 tsp./c, 2 1/2 cups fed once daily and 1 cup fed once daily. Nature's Variety, TOTW, Back to Basics, California Natural, all in monthly rotation, Let enzymes set 30 min. Low weight, 48 lbs, down from high of ONLY 66. Bi-Weekly B-12 shot of 1.4ml. All time high weight EVER on 12/11/11 at 71 lbs., one of the happiest days of my life, honestly, it is up there with some memorable days! *NEW WEIGHT of 76 lbs.!*
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we have a vax washer and two dyson upright vaccume cleaners
one is a small one for upstairs
i love my vax and Dyson is probanly the most popular cleaner in uk
i think it cringes when it gets plugged in as it knows we have a dog mess of some sort
glad you love yours Nicole
jean | |
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-- Kara:: adopted at five months old 26th December 2009 always hungry more than any of my other dogs became noticeably distressed August 2010 Two vet visits and............. Diagnosed with EPI at 14 months old September 2010 tli<1.00 folate 8.3 cobalimin 611 taking 2 Oxytet antibiotics 3 times a day and eating Nutrix grain free duck and potato kibble and starting to put weight on currently 33 kilos as of 20th June 2011 we also use Tylan if we dont have the time to use the oxytet as it has to be on an empty tum, enzymes at the moment Pancrex granules 3 teaspoons per meal she is 2 yrs old as of 21st July 2011 "UNCONDITIONAL LOVE WAS INVENTED BY DOGS"
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Site Owner Posts: 7645 |
OMG Jean.... i know this is not funny.... but OMG.... i couldn't stop laughing visualizing the disaster you woke up to...goodness gracious.... thak goodness we LOVE our dogs, eh?! And Derek... what an absolute sweetheart!!!!! | |
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-- Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.
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I was gurgling too....but tried not to say so. It took me back to Razzy having a 'blow out' and she got all in a panic... ran around the kitchen and sprayed it everywhere... including all over me as I tried to catch her. I stood there with smelly vapour rising from me and Rob just rolled with laughter. Even Razzy wouldn't come near me she just sniffed me and ran into another room.... that's friendship for you. We were lucky it was on a tiled floor so it was easy for ME to clean it up after a shower and change and putting all my clothes into the washer.... with disinfectant... and that was BEFORE I threw them away. Like I said... ain't life fun sometimes. Val | |
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They were cheese biscuits for crying out loud!!! I get it Kara, I get it. Now go snuggle with Mum and Dad to make it up to them. | |
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- Barb -
Mom to Cedar, diagnosed with EPI Nov 1, 2010, TLI 1.2, April 2011 B12 310 (150-700), Folate 31 (7-39); Dec 2011 B12 349 (150-700), Folate 18 (7-39); now on B12 injections weekly; 1 3/4 tsp pancreatin 8X/meal, 1 1/4 c Evo Red Meat Grain free + 1/2 c add ins (pork, salmon, sardines, haddock, egg, pumpkin are the usual), 1/3 c water, incubated x 30 minutes; 2 meals/day; current weight 69.9 lbs. Also has Pannus; treated with tacrolimus ointment 2 x daily each eye and gets 100 ug Vit E daily for immature cataracts. Also Mom to pupkids Bree and Griffin, and catkids Abby, Diamond and Max...and skinkid Ayden
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Oh Jean - I am so sorry to read this, but I do have to say, those cheese biscuits sound darn good! | |
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-- Michele "No matter how little money and how few possessions you own, having a dog makes you rich" - having 2 makes you even richer! :-)Jackie (back in pic) Diagnosed at 9 mos (09/09) - TLI 0.3 and low end of B12. Pancreatin 8x dosing 3/4tsp per cup. Natures Domain, Trinfac-B Intrinsic Factor daily, probiotics and Duralactin in the am. Stable and happy 115 lbs - thanks to all the beautiful souls on this forum, we could not have done it without YOU. Dexter - Diagnosed 11/10 approx 3 yrs of age. We failed fostering and now he has his forever home
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Member Posts: 2190 |
hello guys
everything seems back to some normality
and i am off work most of next week so thats got to be a plus
jean | |
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-- Kara:: adopted at five months old 26th December 2009 always hungry more than any of my other dogs became noticeably distressed August 2010 Two vet visits and............. Diagnosed with EPI at 14 months old September 2010 tli<1.00 folate 8.3 cobalimin 611 taking 2 Oxytet antibiotics 3 times a day and eating Nutrix grain free duck and potato kibble and starting to put weight on currently 33 kilos as of 20th June 2011 we also use Tylan if we dont have the time to use the oxytet as it has to be on an empty tum, enzymes at the moment Pancrex granules 3 teaspoons per meal she is 2 yrs old as of 21st July 2011 "UNCONDITIONAL LOVE WAS INVENTED BY DOGS"
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Glad to hear it Jean! Enjoy your week off... | |
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-- Michele "No matter how little money and how few possessions you own, having a dog makes you rich" - having 2 makes you even richer! :-)Jackie (back in pic) Diagnosed at 9 mos (09/09) - TLI 0.3 and low end of B12. Pancreatin 8x dosing 3/4tsp per cup. Natures Domain, Trinfac-B Intrinsic Factor daily, probiotics and Duralactin in the am. Stable and happy 115 lbs - thanks to all the beautiful souls on this forum, we could not have done it without YOU. Dexter - Diagnosed 11/10 approx 3 yrs of age. We failed fostering and now he has his forever home
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