EPI * Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency

this is only my opinion but

since EPI is the failure of an organ within the body tthen the holistic approach although very laudible does not get to the bottom line you really need the antibiotics to get rid of the bugs that hang around in the gut due to the slower passage of food caused by this crap illness

I am with Olesia regarding Tyllan we use it every day and it is mild and effective and it can be used very long term

there is a lot to learn but once you get the hang of it it becomes normal and that happens quite quickly

jxxxxx

Vickie, 

All I know about colloidal silver is that my sister-in-law has used it in the past, I believe it was for Lyme disease.  She swore by it at the time, but she keeps getting bitten by more ticks (she's apparently a tick magnet) and Lyme symptoms keep coming up again and again.  Now she uses the traditional antibiotics, so she must have decided at one point that the colloidal silver wasn't do as much as she needed and she really needed to fight with something stronger (traditional AB's).

Hi Vickie- will be curious to get results from vet tomorrow. Let us know. Looking forward to meeting you & Hank soon.

Hi Vickie and welcome to you and Hank.

I know very little about colloidal silver but it can interfere with some medications so I just wanted to mention it.

Colloidal silver products may also interact with medications, including penicillamine, quinolone, tetracycline and thyroxine medications.

 Brent A. Bauer, M.D Mayo Clinic Internist

maddie ann at April 12, 2012 at 5:43 AM

HI

Just a few points probably already covered but .

1 You need to mince your meat the easier to digest you make it the better.

2 Honey......if anything is a likely cause of SIBO it is something that will ferment ie natural sugar.

3.I have used pre-probotics in conjunction with antibotics and after maddie came off antibotics and they suited my dog cleared the sibo and i use them know for any upset that she has.

4 bromelain talk to your vet about this i is a natural enzyme and is useful for fighting SIBO.

5 Not familiar with Tumeric but i have used ginger.......calms the stomach down.

6.B12 Maddie DX figure was 144 now up to 640 i did the shots at home but i would also recommed using the tablets in conjunction with the shots i use the wonderlab ones ( imported them to the UK ). 

Just a few suggestions............

Ann

Hello Ann,

Thank you for the info! I will see our vet today and asked about Bromelain. I gave Hank honey for 2 months without any SiBO and our vet sad it was good for his condition. Dr. Williams is a holistic vet. I will aske her today at bromelain as well.

With your B 12 tabs, how may mg are they and what do you give as far as weight? Thank you again and hugs to you and Maddy.

Vickie

epi4dogs at April 12, 2012 at 5:27 PM

It just dawned on me....  you are just now implementing the B12 regimen... yes?

THere is a possibility that once Hank has his B12 levels up, that he won't have repeating issues with SIBO.

SIBO happens with EPI dogs just because the very nature of EPI... actually 100% of all EPI dogs when first diagnosed have SIBO.  

But also dogs that have untreated low B12 tend to develop SIBO too.... so there is a possibility that if you can get his B12 in check, you eventually may not need all the pre-probiotics, colloidal silver etc.....or maybe you still will need it.... but jsut a thought. Yet one more good reason to keep an EPI Log. and take poo pics!

Thanks for your insight and for this wonderful list. It is the best detailed and organized with the "warmest" members I've experienced. I know we can get through this and get Hank healthly and this list has been a serious assett to us. It is so nice to be able to communicate with people who understand what you are going through.

I saw a short documentary once on the Spanish water dogs that are the mascots for San Fransisco's baseball team. I want to say a Preist is their caretaker. It was very interesting. They are beautiful web pawed creatures! 

We go to the vet today and will hopefully get the SIBo figured out soon. Hank reacts well to my 4B elixir (bye bye bad bacteria) honey, colloidal silver, garlic, vinegar and tumeri but I will consider te antibiotic too to get him well asap.

How is Rico?

Have a lovely weekend.

 Hello Vickie~

With an EPI dog with low B12, the first choice is to give generic parental (injection) B12 injections..... what we like to suggest is start the dog on the B12 injections and then once they come up to acceptable levels, then you can try maintaining with B12 with intrinsic factor pills.... as a general rule, regular B12 that do not have the intrinsic factor included in them do not work.

I personally use Wonderlabs "Trinfac"
http://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881

120 pills at $14.99.

I use these for all my dogs (they are all older dogs) more as a maintenance program per the advice of my vet....but then again, my EPI dog did not have any B12 deficiency when we began our EPI journey (but my non EPI dog does have a B12 issue and these have worked great with her) .....  Anyway, please work with your vet with this to determine the right dosage for Hank.

Hi Vicki

I use the same product as Olesia but as my posting says i  had the shots to start with and then moved on to these basically because Mariyln another forum memeber posted some good results so iam saying that i would have used them earlier if i had known about them as well as the shots..

I used 2 a day to start with but i am now down to one i trialled it for 5 weeks and Maddie held her levels..

Another member Leah has be doing this prorotcol and should be posting her B12 results this weekend.

Maddie weight gain went hand in hand with the B12 LEVELS a year to the day to day we started this journey she lost 1/3 of her body weight and now a year today she is back to pre-dx weight.

can you let me know what pre-pro you use i will see how it compares to mine.

I will put maddies sibo tretament up on your thread over the weekend it took 6 months but we cracked it and only 30 days on antibotics.

If you get chance read this thread.http://www.epi4dogs.com/sabresjourney.htm

Ann

Hi Vickie- just checking to see how Hank is doing? Hope things are better.