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Hi Everyone Some more news... Frodo is now down to only 1 poop a day :), though tge quality of the poop has a lot to be desired. The enzyme we are using is somethign called Al5Zyme by co. called Alembic. Not very popular but it seems to do the job. The potency is not mentioned in USP but in mg. Some next steps : 1. Next saturday , it will be 4 weeks since he is getting bi weekly B12 shots, so we will get a B12 serum level done again. 2.We are still waiting on the Tylan which will arrive before the 26th, so we are hoping that would improve the poop quality. 3. We are still feeding him the same quantity of food 3x a day. Planning to increase that to 4. Thoughts? Thanks, Kabir | |
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Hi Kabir... 1 poop a day is very good news.... and i suspect that as soon as you receive the Tylan that will produce better poo- since i also suspect that Frodo is still dealing with SIBO....that is frustrating that it is taking so long to get the Tylan. Regarding the B12.... i personal would not re-test the B12 until after you receive the Tylan and Frodo is able to take the Tylan for at least 2-3 weeks.... the reason why i am saying this is because "any imbalance (SIBO) in the intestinal bacterial flora is also likely to reduce the absorption of cobalamin (B12)" ....so you may not get a good results reading from the B12 you ahve been giving him.... can you talk to your vet about continuing the B12 as you have been doing (extra B12 will not hurt) and wait to test until later? Ahhh... finding enzymes in India... i tried to look into what you are using and did not have good luck.... BUT... earlier this week i was helping another EPI member in Indonesia and i found this enzyme company in India.... i know they produce beef enzymes that may be used for cystic fibrosis patients who cannot tolerate pork....but i was not sure if they only sold to businesses or if the general public can purchase from them.... you might want to look into this company: http://www.stylesolutions.co.in/Crude_Pharmaceuticals.htm they list it as pancreatin made from bovine pancreas... which will work. | |
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-- Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.
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Yayy for the one poop!! You could try increasing the food now slowly.... Devika | |
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-- Mahi, the Indian EPI dog, diagnosed at 10 months, now 3 years old. Was 60 (28 kgs) lbs, went down to 46 lbs (19 kgs), but now with YOUR help, on 29th July 2012 touched 66 lbs(30 kgs). Fed 3 times a day - homecooked diet of 1 kg potatoes, 70 gms lentils, 150 gms tapioca, squash, beetroot, carrots mashed together, 2 boiled eggs and 500 ml yoghurt. 1 Salmon Omega 3 tablet given per day. 1 tablet of Creon 25K given 20 mins before every meal. Very, very active - knock on wood, and seems to have gone from a level 10 of "hungry" to maybe an 8. On 27th July 2011, officially downgraded "hungry" level to 7. On 29th July 2012, officially downgraded "hungry" level to 6!!
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Hi Kabir How is the Lamb Pancreas going?? I have been wondering and in the mean time some one else came up with allergie issues and is also looking at Lamb Pancreas. I thought maybe you could help. http://www.epi4dogs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7715170-help I think if you click on this link it will take to right to her posts. If not do a forum search for "Help" Jean and Kara are who you would be looking for. She would really apprecate your help! | |
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-- Sharon and Hans; Hans is EPI and Lymes Positive, his birthday is 12/11/04 (GSD) His TLI was 1.0 on 10/17/08 When Diagnosed Down to .4 4/2/10. Weight 65 pounds on 12/08 now 95 pounds (Had him up to 104 in 2011) 1 1/2 cups Taste of the Wild Lamb, with very HOT water and soaked, then adding 1/2 pound Top Quaility Dog Food, boneless skinless turkey or Boneless skinless chicken breast.warmed in microwave for 15 to 20 seconds. 4 oz. Raw Pancreas not heated! Just warmed by sitting on counter while kibble soaked. All mixed together just before serving. All vits are OKed by vet. (Please note I don't not use powdered enzymes and the pancreas is added AFTER food and water has cooled)
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Kabir.... YES!!!! Lamb pancreas is also an acceptable pancreatic replacement enzymes to give an EPI patient. (from: http://www.epi4dogs.com/enzyme.htm )FEEDING RAW PANCREAS: If you would like to try using raw pancreas; fresh beef, pork or lamb pancreas are recommended. One to three or four ounces of raw pancreas can replace one teaspoon of pancreatic extract. Raw pancreas may be frozen in cubes for future use and thawed naturally, but never heat on the stove or in the microwave. If possible beef or lamb raw pancreas is recommended over pork pancreas because of the "possibility" of the transmission of pseudorabies, although rare. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudorabie Also... raw pancreas is not all the same. Each and every gland has a different potency of enzymes. This is not just species to species. The potency can vary from one farm animal to another farm animal as well. If you use 1 ounce of raw pancreas with the batch you are currently using the next batch may need to be tweaked. Fresh pancreas has a shelf life (in the freezer) of up to 3 months. Kabir, please keep us posted and let us know how things progress!
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-- Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.
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One poop a day is excellent progress! I remember thinking that 3 a day was a huge improvement with Kolby. The tylan should improve things a lot too, so let us know. Barb | |
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Member Posts: 101 |
Hi We are not using the raw pancreas coz we were warned against possible infections. Yes, we are down to 1 poop a day Currently Frodo is getting bi weekly B12 shots, 2 capsules of Al5Zyme with each meal fed 3x a day. Also Tylan has been started on the 22nd of May. So all in all things are looking up, all thanks to this website and the amazing people here. Will keep everyone posted. Thanks, Kabir | |
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Kabir.. Glad things are going well !! Please keep us updated !!! Frodo is a very lucky pup !! | |
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-- Dar and Kodi, From Washington state Kodi (GSD female) , born August 19, 2010 , was diagnosed July 15, 2011 at 11 months .Lowest weight, 47 lbs, weight as of 4/27/2013 62.9 lbs. Our goal for her at this time is now 65 lbs. !!! . TLI .07 , Folate 9.4 , Cobalmin 536 . Kodi is on Great Life grain and potato free Buffalo,1 & 1/2 cups 3 times a day with 1 & 1/2 teaspoons of enzymes from Diane. 1 Trinfac-B capsule once a day. Also 1/8 t. of ground coriander, 1/16 t. of ground fennel seed and cinnamon per meal (for stomach acid and burps). Having acupunture with a holistic vet for pollen allergies, doing acupressure points and taking 1000 mg.Super Quercetin daily for allergies.
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-- Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.
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