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Hello everyone
we have had a major blip over the last few days
kara went off her food a few weeks ago so you do what you can you encourage them to eat in our case its the tripe mix,
no good...................................
so I try other enticers such as chicken a small amount of cat food pieces of ham whatever and she eats bits
b12 is bang up to date, she has one every other week
anyway we get to maybe Saturday and she develops diiareah which I cannot control I have tried every antibiotic which usually works, no good
And she stinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we have changed nothing.....................
So back to Uncle Ian the vet
She has a temperature which isnt high but its there and her tummy is tender to palpation so more tablets to try to alleviate that problem I have to call him with thoughts on Thursday
He has suggested that maybe she has become resistant to the regime we have and is going to do a full blood count which he tells me will show whether she is intollerant to any proteins
she has to fast for 24 hours geeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Poor baby, the test is set for Teesday as there isnt time to do it before as we have a bank holiday here on next Monday
any thoughts would be well apreciated
have to admit I am concerned here as you can imagine
the one good thing is she is eating her kibble and a bit of chicken so I will keep an eye on her at the moment she is going every couple of hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! one more night of no sleep so out comes the Kindle which has been a Godsend
it sure looks like we were meant to retire what with Derek with shingles and Kara not good it sucks right now
Jxxxxx | |
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-- Kara From Liverpool England adopted at five months old 26th December 2009 EPI dx August 2010 tli<1.00 folate 8.3 cobalimin 611 Antibiotics 2 Oxytet antibiotics 3 times a day also if we cannot fit the Oxytet in she has Tylan 1/8th teaspoon before her meals Food- Ashenbank Lamb Casserole twice daily equalling 3 cups per day possibly more Zantac (ranitadine) 75 mg 30 minutes before each meal as too much acid was being produced enzymes-Panzym 1 gram per meal twice daily ( 1/4 teaspoon ) plus one Lypex B12 injection once every three weeks one Chemeyes B12 with intrinsic factor of 40 daily one Antepsin before bedtime alergies to beef pork chicken and white fish confirmed by blood test 33.6 kilos in weight as of 5th May 2013
"UNCONDITIONAL LOVE WAS INVENTED BY DOGS"
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Oh Jean.... I have no words of wisdom for you ......glad you are working at this... Hugs to all of you....my husband had the shingles 2 years ago... nasty stuff | |
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-- Dar and Kodi, From Washington state Kodi (GSD female) , born August 19, 2010 , was diagnosed July 15, 2011 at 11 months .Lowest weight, 47 lbs, weight as of 4/27/2013 62.9 lbs. Our goal for her at this time is now 65 lbs. !!! And she made it!! . TLI .07 , Folate 9.4 , Cobalmin 536 . Kodi is on Great Life grain and potato free Buffalo,1 & 1/2 cups kibble with added canned or home cooked bison 3 times a day with 2 teaspoons of enzymes from Diane. (Also some home cooked meals)1 Trinfac-B capsule once a day. Also 1/8 t. of ground coriander, 1/16 t. of ground fennel seed and cinnamon per meal (for stomach acid and burps). Having acupunture with a holistic vet for food and enviromental allergies, doing accupressure points and taking 1000 mg.Super Quercetin daily for allergies.
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-- ~Becky~
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Oh, Jean, I am really sorry to hear that you and Derek and Kara are going through all this. Setbacks are so hard. And a 24 hour fast?? Yikes. Not to mention all the sleep you are not getting. I am thinking of you. I know how worried you must be about Kara. And I know the shingles are really rough for Derek too. My dad and my sister had some terrible bouts with them. Kolby went off his food last summer and it was really tough. I still have quite a few cans of tripe left over from the ordeal ...it didn't work. But he eventually came out of it and got back on track. But it wasn't fun. You have got even more on your plate. Sending healing energy your way. And sending big HUGS across the pond. Barb | |
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Jean, I wish I had some words of wisdom for you, but I think this is definitely one for Uncle Ian the vet, especially with the fever. It's so hard when any pet is ill, and when it's a dog with health issues, it's even harder.
I had shingles in the mid-90's, and they were beyond awful. The doctor gave me 2 drugs, Zovirax and prednisone, and they really helped me tremendously. I hope Derek's got something to help him recover more quickly. I remember thinking at the time that I would not wish shingles on my worst enemy. I hope he's on the road to recovery soon.
Hang in there. I'll be sending my positive thoughts and energy to you. | |
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-- Mom to Pixie, 7 year old sheltie,inherited from my mother-in-law 3/11. Dx of EPI 9/09. TLI in 10/09 was 0.4 ug/L. As of 12/2/11, Folate fasting levels was 13.6 ug/L, and Cobalamin fasting was 615. Current weight 21.7 lbs (4/13), solid member of the Chunky Monkey Club! Ideal weight around 17, I think, but she's not obese at this weight, so maybe 17 is a little low. Feeding grain free - Natural Balance canned lamb and Nature's Variety Instinct Limited Ingredient Lamb kibble. Giving slightly less than 1/2 tsp Pancreatin 8X per 1/2 cup of food. Tylan currently 1x/day. Also takes 1/2 tablet pepcid for stomach upset 2x/day. Primal Defense probiotics 1/8 tsp, 3x/week. Getting bi-weekly B-12 shots. Our little pack also includes my husband, our 12 year old sheltie, Lucy, and our 9 year old sheltie, Einstein.
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Jean, So sorry Kara isn't feeling well. I hope you figure out the problem soon and she gets back to her old self. Sending you both lots of hugs and light! | |
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-- Pamela and Rosina; 9 yr old LH Chihuahua Mix; dx'd 10/26/10; Currently 2.5 lbs overweight at 22.5 lbs. Free fed in AM and PM on 3/8 cup Wellness Core Chicken, Turkey Liver, and Chicken Liver Dry and 2 tbsp Wellness Core Chicken, Turkey Liver, and Chicken Liver canned, 1 tsp pumpkin (sometimes add 2 tbsp greenbeans when she needs more food because of increased appetite from the Temaril) and 1/2 tsp Diane's 8X granulated enzymes; 1 tbsp Wellness 95% Chicken or Turkey and 1/16 tsp 8X enzymes incubated and mixed with 1/16 tsp Tylan in the AM. Taking Temaril occasionally for allergies and Metacam 1X most days for leg pain.
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That's no good Jean, our thoughts are with you. Hopefully it shall pass as with Kolby and quickly too. Perhaps she snaffled something she shouldn't that has turned her gut upside down temporarily. Kepp us posted and try not to worry too much... | |
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Craig Lulu (aka Miss Lulupants) is a 5 year old 'Red Shepherd' (Australian Red Heeler x Long-hair GSD) who lives in Adelaide, South Australia. Diagnosed with EPI in April 2010. Currently on one Creon 25k per meal;
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Sorry to hear Kara is not feeling well 
hope she's on the mend soon
wanda
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--Maezi is a female Australian cattle dog (blue Heeler) from BC Canada born may 11-2010 Dx with EPI july 27,2011 & Oxalate crystals june 2012.The story of her journey and struggles with EPI are featured on the EPI stories section above
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Hiya Jean, I'm sorry that Kara isn't feeling very well, I hope you get some answers soon, I hope you hubby gets better soon as well. Thinking of you Tricia x | |
--Sasha was diagnosed with EPI, SIBO and B12 in May 2011 weighing 25kgDid well on Nutrix duck and potato, with pancreatic enzyme for cats and dogs,3meals x 200grams per meal, got to 32kg But then things suddenly went down hill, as she was diagnosed with cancer of the brain.So after a struggle, she was put to sleep on 20th March 2012Much missed but still in our hearts x
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Jean...you, Derek and Kara are in my thoughts....sounds like everyone in your family is having some setbacks....hope you get some sleep and Kara and Derek are well soon. Looking forward to hearing the update...and I hope it is good news! | |
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-- Terry Mom of two EPI Shiloh Shepherds: Pharaoh born Nov. 2007 and dx with epi December 2009. Pharaoh weighed 62.4 lbs. (15 lb. weight loss) when diagnosed in 12/2009. Weight 10/31/11 his weight was 76.6. 85lbs on 9/22/12. Received six weeks of B12 shots Jan-Feb 2010 but his B12 on 8/10/2010 was only 232. So started weekly shots at home, which we continue to give. His older half sister is Taiko born Sept. 2006 and was dx with epi June 2010. Since she has severe bilateral hip dysplasia she had always been on the thin side. Taiko's weight was 70.7 lbs. in June 2010 (time of diagnosis; about a 10 lb. weight loss. Weight on 10/31/11 was 80.4 and on 9/22/12 was 82.4 lbs. B12 was 211 in June 2010 so started six weeks of shots and was only 293 on 8/10/10. She receive B12 shots weekly at home. Both are fed twice a day and we use either Costco grain free brand or Merrick BG brand:2 1/2 cups kibble in the morning and 4 oz cooked meat (usually steak) with 4 crushed tablets and in the evening 2 cups kibble with 4 oz cooked meat with 4 crushed tablets.
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Hi Jean Sorry to hear that Kara is having issues - hoping that it's nothing more than a temporary foray into something her nose shouldn't have been in and that the tummy will settle down again. Uncle Ian sounds like such a gem - I'm sure he will figure it out. Hope it works out quickly and that Derek feels better too - there is much on that plate of yours - here's to everything clearing up soon! Devika | |
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-- Mahi, the Indian EPI dog, diagnosed at 10 months, now 3 years old. Was 60 (28 kgs) lbs, went down to 46 lbs (19 kgs), but now with YOUR help, on 29th July 2012 touched 66 lbs(30 kgs) Officially stable for six months as on 10th June 2013 and weighed in at 31 kgs. Fed 3 times a day - homecooked diet of 1 kg potatoes, 70 gms lentils, 150 gms tapioca, squash, beetroot, carrots mashed together, 2 boiled eggs, 500 ml yoghurt and 3 cups of Taste of The Wild Pacific Stream. 1 Salmon Omega 3 tablet given per day. 1 tablet of Creon 25K given 20 mins before every meal. B12 injections bi-weekly. Very, very active - knock on wood, and seems to have gone from a level 10 of "hungry" to maybe an 8. On 27th July 2011, officially downgraded "hungry" level to 7. On 29th July 2012, officially downgraded "hungry" level to 6!! On 10th June "hungry" level downgraded to five :-)
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Hi jean Well you certainly have been kept busy with all this going on. Hopefully this will be just little blip along the way perhaps there is just abit of inflammation going on non epi dogs get sick to . As your vet is a specalist in this field i am sure he will sort it out. Poor Derek shingles yuck always affects you more when you are older. Ann | |
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Oh Jean, so sorry to hear this. Poor Kara, poor you & poor Derek. Not fun for anyone when a setback occurs. We are thinking of you over here in Oz. & sending lots of well wishes to Kara. Try not to worry too much, although easier said than done. Sending lots of love & hugs xx
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-- Lynn, From Melbourne, Australia. Owned by Tess (Irish Setter), Grace (English Setter) & Megg, my beautiful 'English' EPI Angel - Forever in my heart. .
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Jean, Sorry to hear Kara isn't feeling well. Good luck today with the testing...wow, 24 hrs fast, poor baby. And poor Derek, I hope he gets relief soon. | |
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-- Kathy and Ted 10 yr old GSD rescue ~ gained 39 lbs
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Hi Jean Sorry ole love, you seem to be going through the mill lets hope uncle Ian can sort things out. Poor Derek. shingles are terrible things... give him a hug from me. But joing the club. We are having a bad time with Cassie too. For more than 2 months she has been refusing meals and it was hard to get her to eat. Last Sunday she only had a few bites in the evening and nothing then for 2 days.... took her to the vets yesterday and they are doing complete load of tests inc TLI. She ate a small raw meal yesterday evening and a tiny supper so when we went for a check up this morning she seemed to be getting better... no chance. We came back, gave her a rest and put raw breakfast down.... not a chance she will eat it. She will eat Bonios and hard biscuits but not food. Seems like she has a blockage somewhere and can't swallow soft stuff. Dunno... going back tomorrow and will request a complete xray of throat and gut. Intersting life, innit? Val
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-- Razzy, GSD. EPI for 4 1/2 years... sadly lost to cancer 30th July 2011 aged 9 1/2 years.
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hello everyone
well we had a quite night and she had a play with her friend Buster this morning
she has eaten a bit of her food so we will see
Oh god Val!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will give you a bell tomorrow kid
thank you so much all of you i needed some TLC and I came to the right place
Derek is very grateful if sore and fed up
jeanxxxx | |
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-- Kara From Liverpool England adopted at five months old 26th December 2009 EPI dx August 2010 tli<1.00 folate 8.3 cobalimin 611 Antibiotics 2 Oxytet antibiotics 3 times a day also if we cannot fit the Oxytet in she has Tylan 1/8th teaspoon before her meals Food- Ashenbank Lamb Casserole twice daily equalling 3 cups per day possibly more Zantac (ranitadine) 75 mg 30 minutes before each meal as too much acid was being produced enzymes-Panzym 1 gram per meal twice daily ( 1/4 teaspoon ) plus one Lypex B12 injection once every three weeks one Chemeyes B12 with intrinsic factor of 40 daily one Antepsin before bedtime alergies to beef pork chicken and white fish confirmed by blood test 33.6 kilos in weight as of 5th May 2013
"UNCONDITIONAL LOVE WAS INVENTED BY DOGS"
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Oh Jean and Val, I am so sorry to hear about both of you going through this rough patch. I hope that you both figure out what's going on with your girls soon! The fur kids never let us off easy, do they....always something to fret over. Sometimes I think that is why the more challenging dogs find their way to great people like you....the man upstairs knows who is going to take care of the fur babies and give them the love and help they need.
Jean, I hope your hubby is feeling better and recovering himself.
Val, I know you told me that Cassie loves to eat things like my Maya. Do you think she could have a blockage from eating something she shouldn't have? We had a neighbor that had a setter that would not eat and was vomiting and lost lots of weight. Turned out she had swallowed a block of wood and it wouldn't pass through. Anyhow, the x-ray tomorrow should give you more information if something like that is the case.
You ladies keep us all posted on your pups. I know I will be anxiously waiting for (good) news.
Lisa | |
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Oh Jean - I am so sorry to read this - for you, for Kara and for Derrek - you sure do have your hands full. Shingles can be very painful - I hope Derrek is doing ok. I can't help with what it might be but know I am sending love and light your way - please do keep us posted. Val - I hope you get your answers also...ugh...just ugh.... | |
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-- Michele http://gardensoftranquility.com/ Jackie - Diagnosed at 9 mos (09/09) - TLI 0.3 and low end of B12. Pancreatin 8x dosing 3/4tsp per cup. Natures Domain, Trinfac-B Intrinsic Factor daily, probiotics and Duralactin in the am. Mega-E: cisapride and metoclopramide. Stable and happy 122lbs - thanks to all the beautiful souls on this forum, we could not have done it without YOU. Dexter - Diagnosed 11/10 approx 3 yrs of age. We failed fostering and now he has his forever home
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Lisa I wouldn't be surprized if she had swallowed half a house brick, she is the worst I've had for eating things. A couple of weeks ago I found her trying to chew a brick out of the house wall... the cottage has stood here for 200 years and the way its going it won't be here much longer. It is likely she swallowed a sliver of wood, she is always stealing logs we put by for the stove and shedding them.... or even chewing a bumble bee if she catches it... she is an accident on legs that girl. Val
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-- Razzy, GSD. EPI for 4 1/2 years... sadly lost to cancer 30th July 2011 aged 9 1/2 years.
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Jean - Glad to hear things are looking up at your household today Val - Something is up when a pup refuses to eat... it is just not natural | |
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-- ~Becky~
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None of that sounds good Jean... especially the temperature part. Thankfully Kara is in good hands with Uncle Ian. Please keep us posted. Sending healing thoughts your way.
Lulu is super-smart, a bit plump and very pretty (everybody says so - including her!).
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