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a have just phoned my vet there regarding alfie his TLI is 1.5 B12 LEVEL IS 125 IS THIS A GOOD RESULT OR NOT AS A HAVE 2 HAD A STOOL SAMPLE IN AT 3 TO DAY | |
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No B12 needs to be mid to high bottom is 250 he neds to be 600+ for an EPI dog. Maddie was 140 weekly shots for 6 weeks at least but it took 5 months for her levels to go to 600. Ann
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-- ANN (UK)
Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now 5 DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2. B12 RETESTED 0N 21-05-2013 Value 902 after 15 months of daily piils Yipheeee Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs) Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/ Also omega3 and Vitamin E daily. Use Panzym 1/4 a tsp per 200 grams of food .Got SIBO under control after antibiotics ( stormormgyl) used synbotic by protexin. a pre-probotic
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Talk to your vet about starting Alfie on B12 injections ASAP. Feel free to print the B12 page http://www.epi4dogs.com/b12.htm and use either the old or new B12 protocol from Texas A&M Gastrointestinal Lab. Make sure your vet uses generic B12 ....not the multivitamin or complex B12.... they are not potent enough and they sting. | |
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-- Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils. In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8 years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes and Low Thyroid. Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and is currently doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!
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hi everybody thats me just back from the vets and yes alfies TLI level is 1.5, his B12 IS 125 AND FOLITE IS 24.9 , the vet said he is changing his feed to wfcal salmon and potato, he has to start antbiotics again for 10 days and a can give half a piritan daily for the scrarching , spoke to him regarding the generic b12 injections and he said alfie will need these weekly after they get this stool sample bk, his lypex a have to split now in his 3 meals a day instead of giving them all in 1 feed . I cant thank everybody enough for there help and support on alfies epi | |
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Hi Havent tried the wafcol yet it was on my list just looked it up as it is low fat probably quite a good idea beacsue his folate and low B12 infer SIBO and one of the recommendations for SIBO is low fat. Glad you will be starting the injections it might be the on the floor B12 that is causing the scratching but the pirton is worth a go. Haa the Lypex good per meal. What dose of metro is he on. Also discuss with your vet using synbotics by protexin http://www.protexin.com/products/synbiotic-d-c/33 These help re-populate the good flora which antibotics can destroy i used them with Maddie and kept her on them after the antibotics for about 6 months and i havent had SIBO since. Ann | |
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-- ANN (UK)
Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now 5 DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2. B12 RETESTED 0N 21-05-2013 Value 902 after 15 months of daily piils Yipheeee Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs) Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/ Also omega3 and Vitamin E daily. Use Panzym 1/4 a tsp per 200 grams of food .Got SIBO under control after antibiotics ( stormormgyl) used synbotic by protexin. a pre-probotic
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Yeah !!! Now you know what you have to do.......keep up the good work !! | |
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-- Dar and Kodi, From Washington state Kodi (GSD female) , born August 19, 2010 , was diagnosed July 15, 2011 at 11 months .Lowest weight, 47 lbs, weight as of 4/27/2013 62.9 lbs. Our goal for her at this time is now 65 lbs. !!! And she made it!! . TLI .07 , Folate 9.4 , Cobalmin 536 . Kodi is on Great Life grain and potato free Buffalo,1 & 1/2 cups kibble with added canned or home cooked bison 3 times a day with 2 teaspoons of enzymes from Diane. (Also some home cooked meals)1 Trinfac-B capsule once a day. Also 1/8 t. of ground coriander, 1/16 t. of ground fennel seed and cinnamon per meal (for stomach acid and burps). Having acupunture with a holistic vet for food and enviromental allergies, doing accupressure points and taking 1000 mg.Super Quercetin daily for allergies.
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Knowing is... Oh NO... followed by... THANK GOODNESS I KNOW! Now you can plan your feeding and get on with putting the B12 right.... you are on the road to better things. Val
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-- Razzy, GSD. EPI for 4 1/2 years... sadly lost to cancer 30th July 2011 aged 9 1/2 years.
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Member Posts: 28 |
thanks everybody a will keep u all posted as am learning 2 deal with this , a was also wondering when alfie is stabalized what kind of treats can a give him , maddie he is on 250 3 times a day of metro | |
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Treats ---depends on what he can tolerate.......bones are normally not tolerated well unlss they are meaty soup bones. Maddie has carrott to crunch on anything like dog biscuits you have to make sure there is no cereal in and she doesnt tolerate the hard things like ears much i tend to get her the veg strips or some of the fish 4 dogs products but she will eat her kibble any way as a treat. Normally we feed with in an hour of food but every dog is different. You just need to find the right balance.
What ratio of lypex to food are you now feeding Ann | |
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-- ANN (UK)
Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now 5 DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2. B12 RETESTED 0N 21-05-2013 Value 902 after 15 months of daily piils Yipheeee Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs) Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/ Also omega3 and Vitamin E daily. Use Panzym 1/4 a tsp per 200 grams of food .Got SIBO under control after antibiotics ( stormormgyl) used synbotic by protexin. a pre-probotic
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hi there thanks for the info , he is on 1 lypex per mug and a half 3 times a day now | |
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oh god you have gone all american on us next you will be calling pooh poop. So i weigh my food beacuse not all kibble weighs tha same i assume you are saying 1 to 150 grams...........i feel that this may be to low but keep your eye on the poop . Ann Anyway | |
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-- ANN (UK)
Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now 5 DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2. B12 RETESTED 0N 21-05-2013 Value 902 after 15 months of daily piils Yipheeee Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs) Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/ Also omega3 and Vitamin E daily. Use Panzym 1/4 a tsp per 200 grams of food .Got SIBO under control after antibiotics ( stormormgyl) used synbotic by protexin. a pre-probotic
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lol am no all american , his poop seems ok at the moment , he starts his b12 injections on monday | |
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Hi Sharon. Good that he starts his shots on Monday some dogs recover there B12 levels quickly maddie took a good 5-6 months we need the levels to re-cover to 600+. Once Maddie had got to this level i went on the tablets with the intrinsic factor in which i imported from the states from Wondelab which is on the b12 tab. How is the scratching.......... Have you mentioned the pre-probotics to your vet ??? Ann
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-- ANN (UK)
Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now 5 DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2. B12 RETESTED 0N 21-05-2013 Value 902 after 15 months of daily piils Yipheeee Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs) Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/ Also omega3 and Vitamin E daily. Use Panzym 1/4 a tsp per 200 grams of food .Got SIBO under control after antibiotics ( stormormgyl) used synbotic by protexin. a pre-probotic
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Hi Sharon. Good that he starts his shots on Monday some dogs recover there B12 levels quickly maddie took a good 5-6 months we need the levels to re-cover to 600+. Once Maddie had got to this level i went on the tablets with the intrinsic factor in which i imported from the states from Wondelab which is on the b12 tab. How is the scratching.......... Have you mentioned the pre-probotics to your vet ??? Ann
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-- ANN (UK)
Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now 5 DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2. B12 RETESTED 0N 21-05-2013 Value 902 after 15 months of daily piils Yipheeee Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs) Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/ Also omega3 and Vitamin E daily. Use Panzym 1/4 a tsp per 200 grams of food .Got SIBO under control after antibiotics ( stormormgyl) used synbotic by protexin. a pre-probotic
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Hi Sharon. Good that he starts his shots on Monday some dogs recover there B12 levels quickly maddie took a good 5-6 months we need the levels to re-cover to 600+. Once Maddie had got to this level i went on the tablets with the intrinsic factor in which i imported from the states from Wondelab which is on the b12 tab. How is the scratching.......... Have you mentioned the pre-probotics to your vet ??? Ann
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-- ANN (UK)
Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now 5 DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2. B12 RETESTED 0N 21-05-2013 Value 902 after 15 months of daily piils Yipheeee Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs) Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/ Also omega3 and Vitamin E daily. Use Panzym 1/4 a tsp per 200 grams of food .Got SIBO under control after antibiotics ( stormormgyl) used synbotic by protexin. a pre-probotic
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i guess Ann really, Really, REALLY wants to know "How is the scratching...." Hope you see some improvement soon....Please keep us posted! | |
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-- Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils. In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8 years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes and Low Thyroid. Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and is currently doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!
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Member Posts: 28 |
hi anne , yes his scratching seams to be improving with the pitaton , no a havent mentioned the pre probotics yet to my vet , a will do on monday can you please give me a insite to these so i know what i am talking about to him when he starts alfies b12 jabs on monday, thanks | |
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Okay so grab a cup of tea and a biscuit this maybe a long story .( if you read this at night wine and chocs) I have always lived in rural Ares and never had the privilege of main sewers the one thing or sorry two things that aren’t good for cleaning with are bleach and disinfectant because they will nock the good Bactria in my bio-degradble system out and it will stop working effectively.(I even check all my neighbours toilet cleaners !!!!) So the same thing can happen with the digestive tract my vet calls the like of oxytet metro etc bleach sometimes it can knock the bad the ugly and the good out of the system and we need to replace the good hence why some people including me believe that we have to re-populate the dogs digestive tract after we have sent the bleach down there is also a chain of thought that if you keeping sending the bleach down and don’t re-populate the gut that SIBO may keep re-occurring. It maybe that Alfie will just come off Metro and the SIbO may not come back but it is worth discussing with your vet. As for the duplicate posting its like the good old says copy for me copy for files copy for the secretary copy for the master file !!!!!!! ( think that might have been my end my wireless connection was playing up must be the heat ) Ann | |
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-- ANN (UK)
Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now 5 DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2. B12 RETESTED 0N 21-05-2013 Value 902 after 15 months of daily piils Yipheeee Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs) Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/ Also omega3 and Vitamin E daily. Use Panzym 1/4 a tsp per 200 grams of food .Got SIBO under control after antibiotics ( stormormgyl) used synbotic by protexin. a pre-probotic
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thanks anne a deffo will discuss this 2 morrow night with him , if anybody has facebook feel free to add me sharon dean drury as all my pictures etc are on there , a will keep everybody posted on alfies b12 jabs | |
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