EPI * Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency
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I am reposting this for her as it got lost. This is the sweet Kali that I posted about months ago, and that was doing so wonderfully. Well, not anymore. She has kidney issues and I have no experience with that. Please, friends, help her. Mary is a wonderful person and has just joined our forum. Here is her original post. From Mary: I have a miniature schnauzer Kali who has suffered with EPI for the past 8 month who also has a kidney problems that have taken a turn for the worse this pass two weeks. She will not eat on her own is getting weaker by the day the vet has started her on 100 veterinary lactated ringer injection USP twice daily 100 ml twice daily, Along with rubenal 75 mg twice daily. amlodipine besylat E 2.5 ½ twice daily, azodyl and omeprazole 10 mg twice daily. But she is still not responding does anyone on your site have any advice. | |
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I have a miniature schnauzer Kali who has suffered with EPI for the past 8 month who also has a kidney problems that have taken a turn for the worse this pass two weeks. She will not eat on her own is getting weaker by the day the vet has started her on 100 veterinary lactated ringer injection USP twice daily 100 ml twice daily, Along with rubenal 75 mg twice daily. amlodipine besylat E 2.5 ½ twice daily, azodyl and omeprazole 10 mg twice daily. But she is still not responding does anyone on your site have any advice. | |
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I have a miniature schnauzer Kali who has suffered with EPI for the past 8 month who also has a kidney problems that have taken a turn for the worse this pass two weeks. She will not eat on her own is getting weaker by the day the vet has started her on 100 veterinary lactated ringer injection USP twice daily 100 ml twice daily, Along with rubenal 75 mg twice daily. amlodipine besylat E 2.5 ½ twice daily, azodyl and omeprazole 10 mg twice daily. But she is still not responding does anyone on your site have any advice. | |
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Kali is my best little friend and I want to do what ever i can to save her and help her not be in pain. She is non-responcive to any foods I have been force feeding her baby food with a syringe. she is getting weaker and sleeps most of the time not wanting to go on her walks. her stools are still good but down to once a day. she drink as much water as you give her so I have to be careful with that because it does cause her to vomit when she drinks too much. any help would be greatly appreciated. | |
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HI Mary..... i am so sorry you are going thru this with Kali, your heart must be breaking! My apologies for folks not readily responding to you- -this website has been having issues since Sunday.... down more than it has been working, so i am sure people are getting frustrated after 4 days of this....and not on as much. I honestly do not know what to suggest to you since i do not have any personal experience with kidney issues.... hopefully someone who does will chime in.... i will try to do some research and see what i find out if anything that mayb be useful for you. | |
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-- Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils. In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8 years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes and Low Thyroid. Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and is currently doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!
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Hi Mary. There are some kidney support groups available. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/K9KIDNEYS/ http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/K9Kitchen/ http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/K9KidneyDiet/ Here is a link, these were on the first page, there may be more. http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=kidney+for+dogs&sort=relevance
I hope you find something that works and that will help her. It's so hard when they don't feel good. | |
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Mary~ Since dealing with Kidney issues are way out of my realm.... i checked to see who in the vet community is well known for managing kidney diseases..... the is a vet by the name of Francis Kallfelz who is at Cornell Univ and works with kidney cases at the Amercian College of Veterinarian Nutrition.....
ww.vet.cornell.edu/faculty/kallfelz/
his email address is: fak1@cornell.edu
you might want to contact him. Hope this is of some help for you..... and i think the support groups that Karen suggested are also something that you might want to look into.... they can give you their day-to-day expereinces like we do here for EPI... so that might be of some help also.
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-- Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils. In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8 years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes and Low Thyroid. Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and is currently doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!
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Mary: Olesia has given you a wonderful resource to use, and I would at least see what he may suggest. The things that I can think of off the top of my head are all natural, and it appears that you have a great deal covered unless Dr. Kalfelz can think of something to add or change in what you are now doing. One thing I would add right away is milk thistle. If she has kidney failure, make sure her diet is low in phosphorus and low in acids...those that are high is phosphorus are the high protein foods such as meat, poultry, fish, dairy products, peas and beans. Have they determined why this is happening? I'm sorry that I'm not offering much information at the moment...please know that we all care and I need to check out a couple of other things to see if they may help. Please keep us posted. | |
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-- Linda, Akira, Indy and the bratcats Akira 101 lb GSD, DOB 9/18/03 Dx'd before her first birthday. First TLI score 1.1, retested 9/07 score had lowered to 0.7. "Normally" eats 1 1/2 cups Earthborn Holistic Ocean Fusion, twice daily with a couple of tablespoons of whatever additions I give that particular meal (veggies, yogurt, rice, beef or venision as an ever changing teaser), just a bit of hot water and mixed well . 1 1/2 t Pancreatin (or 1 t per cup of food) 8x enzymes given right before each meal in heaping t meat baby food with warm water and mixed to a gruel type texture. As soon as she eats her enzyme mixture, I put her food down
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Mary, I am so sorry to hear what Kali is going through. It sounds as if Kali is in rough shape and none of us are vets and I don’t think you should try anything without a vet’s approval. If you are not comfortable with what your vet is doing than call Cornell per Olesia’s post, see a specialist or go to the links Karen gave you and they might be able to direct you to a local vet well versed in kidney disease. As much as everyone wants to help you, Kali needs skilled care and we can’t provide that, we do not have the expertise. I hope you find the help you need and wishing Kali a speedy recovery.
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-- Kathy and Ted 10 yr old GSD rescue ~ gained 39 lbs
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Mary: Yes, Kathy is right in that none of us are professionals which is why I suggested that you contact Dr. Kalfelz. However, what I did suggest is safe, usually added by veterinarians and very often helpful,, otherwise I would have never made the suggestion. But it's also why I also said that I needed to do a little research on the other things that had come to mind. The food mentioned is why most vets will put your dog on one of the specialized foods, or there are some great home cooked recipes that address the needs of a dog experiencing kidney failure. | |
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-- Linda, Akira, Indy and the bratcats Akira 101 lb GSD, DOB 9/18/03 Dx'd before her first birthday. First TLI score 1.1, retested 9/07 score had lowered to 0.7. "Normally" eats 1 1/2 cups Earthborn Holistic Ocean Fusion, twice daily with a couple of tablespoons of whatever additions I give that particular meal (veggies, yogurt, rice, beef or venision as an ever changing teaser), just a bit of hot water and mixed well . 1 1/2 t Pancreatin (or 1 t per cup of food) 8x enzymes given right before each meal in heaping t meat baby food with warm water and mixed to a gruel type texture. As soon as she eats her enzyme mixture, I put her food down
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Hello, Mary, I am just getting to your thread.... I have been having a lot of trouble getting on to post with the connection isssues. I am sorry Kali is going through this.... know that you are in our thoughts and prayers as you deal with it. You have been given good information already and I hope you can get some answers to help your sweet girl. Thinking of you and Kali, Barb | |
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Site Owner Posts: 10224 |
Hi Mary~ Please take whatever information we suggest to you and PLEASE talk to your vet about these suggestions - - Kali has a lot going on... is on a lot of medications and we are not able to share any personal experiences with you dealing specifically with kidney disease...... our hands-on experiences are with EPI...... so PLEASE discuss with your vet, my concern is that we have no idea what if any interaction there may be whether with the kidney diet, herbs or meds in this particular situation.....hopefully you can get some answers via the kidney recommended sites and contacts. | |
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-- Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils. In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8 years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes and Low Thyroid. Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and is currently doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!
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Not knowing where you live. University of IL at Champaign has a very good Vet department as well. | |
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-- Sable was born March of 2006. She was officially diagnosed with EPI from Texas A & M Labs July of 2012. Her results: Cobalamin > 1000 ng/l , Pancreatic Lipase < 30 ug/l , TLI tested at 0.7 ug/l, Folate 10.3 ug/l. Her current diet : 1 cup of Blue Basic plus ½ can wet mixed with 1 tsp of Enzyme Diane 8X mixed 2 times a day then a handful of Royal Canin mixed for the "crunch" and teeth cleaning. Mornings B12 ( Wonder Labs ) added in meal. Brandy...................... waiting patiently ................. and still cancer free !!!!
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