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Member Posts: 49 |
Hi all I have a quick update will do more details when I have more time.
The 27th July 2012 nitro weighed 35.6kg
Today 10th August he has dropped to 29.5kg
Not good. However........
10th August
Blood test for B12 levels done.
B12 injection given
Tylan antibiotics gotten from vet @ 1/4 teaspoon to be given morning and night for 30 days.
Waiting for results on B12
Nitro was very unhappy/hungry at vet and bit vet 
Quite surprised at weight loss.
New food as described above purchased today. Will work in to food mid next week
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Member Posts: 2071 |
Wendy- firstly maddie lost 10 kg all togther but once i got the balance right things started to improve so please dont get despondent.........Maddie weight gain in the most was down to B12 once i started on that the weight just piled on . When you have a moment can you let us know how the poops are and the food you were on before had very little fat and protein in it sometimes the hardest part can be the food . Sorry about the vet but they say never work with animals and children !!!! Ann | |
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-- ANN (UK)
Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now 5 DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2. Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs) Feed a mixture of foods Burns /Simpsons /Fish 4 dogs/ Barking heads she does better on fibre 3% and below she has Wonderlab b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881)Also omega3 and Vitamin E daily. Use Panzym 1/4 a tsp per 200 grams of food .Got SIBO under control after antibiotics ( stormormgyl) used synbotic by protexin. a pre-probotic
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Member Posts: 2101 |
Hi Wendy, This is the hardest part.....getiing everything balanced at the beginning. Kolby lost 4 pounds while waiting for test results. Hang in there. If Nitro's B12 is low, that might be another reason for the weight loss and his temper flare. Kolby got very fearful when the B12 was low. The tylan is very very bitter. Kolby would not eat the food with it on, so I filled the capsules "00" and pilled him. Just thought I would mention that in case Nitro has issues with it. Let us know how he is doing. Hugs to you. Barb | |
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Member Posts: 2846 |
Hi Wendy, To answer your question on adding tylan to the food, I wait right before serving and mix it in well. You do not incubate meds. Hopefully, between the new food and the B12 you will see positive resuts soon. | |
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-- Kathy and Ted 10 yr old GSD rescue ~ gained 39 lbs
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Site Owner Posts: 10053 |
Hi Wendy, Some dogs are fine with the bitter taste of Tylan and others are not. My Izzy is one of those dogs that will back away from the dish as if i am trying to poison her if i mix the Tylan in the food (and like Kathy said, no need to incubate the meds with the food either- - but DO always give Tylan just before or just after or during a meal because with some dogs, it might give them a tummy ache on an empty stomach) SO whichever way you want to try administering the Tylan, just remember, if no resistance ... YEAH!!! If you notice him not wanting to eat all of a sudden then don't mix the Tylan in the food.... Barb puts the Tylan powder in empty gel capsules... since my dog doesn't have any dairy issues... i just make a pouch out of cream cheese- -pour the designated amount of Tylan powder in the pouch and then seal the pouch and put it on the floor...and make the dog sit and wait...Wait... WAIT (The anticipation just kills her :D) and then when i give the command... Izzy gobbles up the cream cheese pouch with Tylan in it....just wash your hands with soap and water BEFORE you seal the pouch or else the bitter Tylan residue will stick to your fingers and transfer to the cream cheese and then they won't touch that either! | |
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-- Olesia, owned by Izzy-45lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable almost 7 yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Feed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane. I give 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.
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Member Posts: 2246 |
We woud fill capsules too Wendy. Megg never had a problem eating, she LOVED food but she would eat everything in her bowl & leave the bit that I'd put the tylan in. I would either make a little pocket or get some size 00 capsules & fill them. Think mixing it through the entire meal would change the taste somewhat but some dogs will eat it, some wont. We didn't have a capsule maker but it still didn't take long to fill them. Just a finicky job but worth it.
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-- Lynn, From Melbourne, Australia. Owned by Tess (Irish Setter), Grace (English Setter) & Megg, my beautiful 'English' EPI Angel - Forever in my heart. .
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Member Posts: 49 | Hey with the tylan and his food this is how we are preparing it Dry kibble in to his bowl, hot water over his food to start it breaking down let sit for around 15-20mins. 5 mins before food ready we give nitro his Creon. Then mix in 1/4 teaspoon of tylan mix really well and serve straight away. So far so good with tylan flavor. He has gobbled in all up straight away. Maybe due to the weight loss, hungry and now having B12, and food ACTUALLY starting to be absorbed he dosnt care about flavor, just happy to be getting food. Currently he's still having super coat dry kibble and very small amount of wet can food, the reason for this is, keep everything the same APART from now having Tylan and B12. If his demeanor and poos start to pick up and he appears to be getting better then we can definatly put it down to low B12 and a SIBO. This may sound mean keeping him on crappy food, but we wanna see how he goes before we change food. We would also like him in himself to feel better so he may accept changed food easier. Since starting Tylan and having a B12 shot his pooing frequency seams to be dropping. 2 poos over night and one so far today. This is giving hope!! Poos are looking darker, still a little bit runny but taking and holding form. | |
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Member Posts: 1647 |
Hopefully you'll see a big change when the B12 kicks in. It can really affect their personality and make them more nervous and aggressive, among other things. I hope things start to improve soon. | |
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-- Mom to Pixie, 7 year old sheltie,inherited from my mother-in-law 3/11. Dx of EPI 9/09. TLI in 10/09 was 0.4 ug/L. As of 12/2/11, Folate fasting levels was 13.6 ug/L, and Cobalamin fasting was 615. Current weight 21.7 lbs (4/13), solid member of the Chunky Monkey Club! Ideal weight around 17, I think, but she's not obese at this weight, so maybe 17 is a little low. Feeding grain free - Natural Balance canned lamb and Nature's Variety Instinct Limited Ingredient Lamb kibble. Giving slightly less than 1/2 tsp Pancreatin 8X per 1/2 cup of food. Tylan currently 1x/day. Also takes 1/2 tablet pepcid for stomach upset 2x/day. Primal Defense probiotics 1/8 tsp, 3x/week. Getting bi-weekly B-12 shots. Our little pack also includes my husband, our 12 year old sheltie, Lucy, and our 9 year old sheltie, Einstein.
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