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karenabsadie
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It's been a year now since my 8 year Cavalier was diagnosed with EPI and we have been managing the disease pretty well.  She's back up to a normal weight and her poop comes out a healthy looking chocolate brown. The only problem is, the enzyme smell has NOT gone away; its still just as strong as it was the first week she started on them.  She still reeks of a cross between baby vomit and ( as my niece & nephew aptly describe it) "dirty feet."  I've tried different types of enzymes (PancreVed from the Vet/Enzyme Diane 6X and 8X, even Pancreatin capsules from the health food store) and they all treat her EPI, but they all make her stink.  Now with winter here and the windows shut the smell is just really unbearable.  I don't mean to seem ungrateful; I'm very thankful that she's doing so well.  It's just really hard having to constantly cover everything that she sits on with old sheets, constantly having to wash them and her only to have that smell come back within a day.  Everyone notices it and comments on it, even the technicians who clean her teeth.    Has anyone come up with any new suggestions or treatments for this?  I'm willing to try anything at this point.  I know in some of the older discussions someone mentioned that the enteric coated capsules (Creon was the name I think)  don't make dogs smell as bad.  Thanks for all of your help from me and my little vomit monster! :)

Karen & Sadie

January 14, 2013 at 12:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Terry Bin
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Posts: 2061

Hi Karen,

I am glad to hear she is doing so well, but sorry to hear she has quite a smell.  Have to admit I do not recall someone else mentioning the smell lasting this long.  We've always used PancreaPlus tablets and not had problems with odor.  I would say that the Creon sounds like the best option.  Really sorry you are going through this as it does not sound pleasant!

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Terry

Mom of three EPI Shiloh Shepherds: 

Pharaoh born Nov. 2007 and dx with epi December 2009.   Pharaoh weighed 62.4 lbs. (15 lb. weight loss) when diagnosed in 12/2009.

Weight 10/31/11 was 76.6; 85lbs on 9/22/12; 85.5 lbs. on 11/13/14.

Received six weeks of B12 shots Jan-Feb 2010 but his B12 on 8/10/2010 was only 232. So started weekly shots at home, which we continue to give. 

His older half sister is Taiko born Sept. 2006  and was dx with epi June 2010.  Since she has severe bilateral hip dysplasia she had always been on the thin side.  Taiko's weight was 70.7 lbs. in June 2010 (time of diagnosis; about a 10 lb. weight loss).

Weight on 10/31/11 was 80.4 and on 9/22/12 was 82.4 lbs.  Weight 11/13/14 was 83 lbs.  B12 was 211 in June 2010 so started six weeks of shots and was only 293 on 8/10/10.  She receives B12 shots weekly at home.  B12 in September 2014 was over 1,000.

Both are fed twice a day and we use Merrick BG brand: 1 1/2  cups kibble in the morning with 1/2 can dog food with 4 crushed tablets and in the evening 1 1/2 cups to 2 cups kibble with 1/2 can dog food  with 4 crushed tablets. 

Moku was born 4/15/14 does not have epi.  His grandfather is Taiko's and Pharaoh's father (through his mother).  On 11/05/14 his weight was 78 lbs, on 12/11/14 he was 85.7 and on his first birthday 15 April 2015: 90.2 lbs.

January 14, 2013 at 12:30 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Bubba's Mom - Donna
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Posts: 86

Hi! This is the first I have heard of a smell and haven't experienced it yet. (We've only done 3 doses so far). Is this something that's common in ALL dogs? I guess I need to read up about that too! Gosh....this just keeps getting better and better, huh? Bless all these poor babies hearts.....and ours! :) Sorry I jumped in on your discussion. It was just new to me.

Donna

January 14, 2013 at 8:49 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Tracey, Sofie's mom
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Posts: 2065

Donna, it is very common in the beginning but usually the odour fades after a few months. I'm not sure why Sadie still smells:)

 

Karen, do use B12 at all? I swear Sofie smells better since we've been using the Wonderlabs B12...

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Tracey, Sofie's mom

Sofie, Shiloh shepherd, born March 2010; diagnosed April 2011. Currently eats 3 cups of TOTW Lamb per day plus a bit of cooked beef, pork, tripe or liver, etc. with 1 tsp. of 8x enzymes per cup. 1 Wonderlabs B12 pill per day, and 3/8 tsp Tylan 2x a day. Her lowest weight was 66 lbs, she is now a lovely 85 lbs.

Please note: I am not a vet, anything I share or suggest on this site is just from my experience as an EPI dog owner. Please share with your vet anything that is suggested to you on this forum.



 





January 14, 2013 at 9:04 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Paula
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Donna - there is hope. Maya never had the smell. Karen, have you ever tried reducing the dose? It's recommended that you get to the lowest dose possible once your dog is stable. Every 3-5 days tweak the amount down a small amount, keeping notes on input IBD output, and only stop reducing when you see a negative response. Hope this helps!
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Paula and Maya (bday 12/21/06) (diagnosed 10/26/10 TLI 1.5, B12 659 (ref:249-733), weight 52 lbs. After 30 days, retested B12/folate - B12 plummeted to 200, which greatly affected her personality. After following B12 protocol, currently giving semi-weekly B12 shots at home, plus daily WonderLabs Trinfac. Weight in July 2013: 75 lbs - the picture of health


January 14, 2013 at 9:26 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jill
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Posts: 3731

Hi Karen: Mickey has chronic pancreatitis and is using the enzymes. We have used: PancrePlus, Diane enzyme sample, Pancrezyme and EpiPro8x. We are going on our 8 month date of the enzyme and as my husband and the old saying goes Mickeys breath could knock a buzzard off a sh++ wagon. The way I can describe it is like yours, a sweet/sour sick smell, then the frito feet too. Yours was the best description ever. But our dear little Mickey who sleeps with us and I often wake up in the middle of the night and he is sleeping with his head in my armpit, so I get the breath a lot. I figure if he can sleep in my armpit, albeit he is only under the top cover, I can live with his breath. I do brush the teeth with a paste and then do a quick over with Nolvadent, which is a minty smell placque preventer, plus his salmon oil is minty smelling, but then it is a swee/sour/frito/minty smell. yummy, makes me want to go for my second cup of coffee. Sorry I can't help, I am just still waiting for the smell to wear off, but it probably won't. oh and ps: I am down to 1/8 teaspoon 2 x a day, one of those I put in a capsule, one I incubate regularly and the third I mix it with a little canned food ahead of time.

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   Jill-  Washington State

Mickey 6/21/99 - 8/29/2014 

17.5 lb  jack russell, chronic pancreatitis, hyperuricosuria,high blood pressure, hypothyroid, spinal stenosis

diet of  hard boiled eggs, macaroni,  RC Hepatic, mashed potato

2 #2 Dianes enzymes 6x premeal

 2.5 mg Amlodipine, .15mg soloxine am/pm, 100mg ursodiol started for gall bladder thinning

arthritis:  6.25mg tramadol 1x/day, 12.5mg gabapentin every 12 hrs,  Assisi soft loop used on back and elbow, 1- 540meq potassium citrate nightly

Denamarin once a day, 1/16 t tylan (150mg)  2x/day ,  Senilife started 12/14/13, Trixsyn sirup for arthritis, .1mg Adequan weekly by shot. 75mg Tylan 2x./day for SIBO

Optimmune for Dry eyes

 Kiya is Mickeys sister, 3/4 aussie, 1/4 blue heeler born 9/2006.  She thinks she is a 44 lb jack russell who tries to heel Mickey!!

TJ is the newest addition.  He is in the bottom picture with Kiya.  He was born 7/05/2015. 

I am not a vet, just a pet owner sharing what experiences I have had in helping my dogs with other pet owners.  If you have an emergency please call your vet.





January 14, 2013 at 9:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Alyssa
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Hey!  Just out of curiosity, what are you feeding her?  Maybe something in her food could be causing the smell?  I'm not discounting the enzymes, but it's possible there could be something else at play here.  I remember my step-dad had a cat that he fed IAMS, and it reeked to high heaven, had skin issues, all sorts of stuff.  The moment he changed the food it all went away.

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Proud mommy to Vito, 3(?) yr old GSD.  90lbs, goal weight 85-90lbs (ACHIEVED!).  Tested positive for EPI on March 30th, 2011.  His TLI was 1.0, Cobalamin 225, Folate 22.  Feeding 3 ups of Taste of the Wild High Prairie once a day with one heaping teaspoon of Pancreatin 8x enzymes per meal.

Also proud mommy of a (non EPI) Belgian Malinois tripod named Lizzie.  That means three legs. :P  Who is completely spoiled rotten, loves kids, and will be going into therapy dog training as soon as I can afford it.

"Sometimes it takes an imperfection to create perfection."

January 14, 2013 at 12:15 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jill
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Posts: 3731

In Mickeys case, he eats Royal Canin vegetarian kibble and the main ingredient is oats. It really doesn't smell. Now my "normal" dog eats Acana Pacifica which reeks to high heaven of rotten fish. Even me who looks past that stuff notices it. So she is now, after 4 years on it, being switched to Acana Chicken and burbank potatoes. It really doesn't smell either.

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   Jill-  Washington State

Mickey 6/21/99 - 8/29/2014 

17.5 lb  jack russell, chronic pancreatitis, hyperuricosuria,high blood pressure, hypothyroid, spinal stenosis

diet of  hard boiled eggs, macaroni,  RC Hepatic, mashed potato

2 #2 Dianes enzymes 6x premeal

 2.5 mg Amlodipine, .15mg soloxine am/pm, 100mg ursodiol started for gall bladder thinning

arthritis:  6.25mg tramadol 1x/day, 12.5mg gabapentin every 12 hrs,  Assisi soft loop used on back and elbow, 1- 540meq potassium citrate nightly

Denamarin once a day, 1/16 t tylan (150mg)  2x/day ,  Senilife started 12/14/13, Trixsyn sirup for arthritis, .1mg Adequan weekly by shot. 75mg Tylan 2x./day for SIBO

Optimmune for Dry eyes

 Kiya is Mickeys sister, 3/4 aussie, 1/4 blue heeler born 9/2006.  She thinks she is a 44 lb jack russell who tries to heel Mickey!!

TJ is the newest addition.  He is in the bottom picture with Kiya.  He was born 7/05/2015. 

I am not a vet, just a pet owner sharing what experiences I have had in helping my dogs with other pet owners.  If you have an emergency please call your vet.





January 14, 2013 at 12:59 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Epi4Dogs
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Posts: 17183

HI all.... just want you to know that we will try to tackle the "EPI odor" issue shortly.... as soon as i feel better and can sit up for longer periods of time.... my next step is to send a survey to the entire group...and hopefully afterwards.... have some suggestions on how to alleviate this.....



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Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable 9+ yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.... until she developed Diabetes and now cannot tolerate higher fat foods.

In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8+ years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes, Low Thyroid and High Cholesterol.  Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and  is currently  doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!  Because of Izzy's concurrent conditions of Diabetes and High Cholesterol we had to make changes to our daily EPI routine. We had to alter the fiber, type of fiber and the fat content her diet. She is now on an all home-made diet which she does best on and has even been able to reduce the insuline (Vetsulin:pork-based insulin) . Because of the diet change to all home-made i no longer worry about hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia- -she is much more even-keeled with a diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, sometimes a free range egg, cottage cheese,  fish oil+vitamins and bone meal. We tried Novolin N a human synthetic RNA insulin.... but Izzy did not do well on it. aside from all of Izzy's health issues.... she continues to wake up every day full of joy and a great sense of humor!

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal expereinces, observations, information gleaned from EPI research, and information shared with me by EPI researchers....that hopefully may help others. Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet.

January 14, 2013 at 1:45 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Deb
Member
Posts: 1577

Hi Karen, My boy Kody was only diagnosed 5 weeks ago so we are still have our training wheels on with epi. We are using creon as it's the only thing we can get in Australia. Well, we could have used gas masks - he had the most vile sour milk, baby vomit smell coming from every pore in his body. It was so strong it would go through the whole house (and as it's summer here that was with all the doors and windows open). In the third week, he had his first b12 injection and within 4 hours all the smell was gone. It started to come back 5 days later at the same time as our wonberlabs capsules arrived so I gave him one and the smell was gone the next morning. He is now continuing his weekly b12 injections and a daily wonderlabs in between and we have not had the smell back.

I don't know if the b12 is the cause or just a coincidence in timing - I'm just glad the smell is gone. Hope you can find a solution soon.

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Kody DOB 2nd Jan 2011. Diagnosed 11th Dec 2012. TLi less than 1. Dx weight 31.3kgs. Currently on 2x Creon 10 with every meal. Feeding 4 Big Dogfood premade Barf lamb patties and 500gms turkey mince meat divided between 4 meals. Started 6 week course B12 Injections 5th Jan 2013. 1 wonderlabs once a day. 1 Inner Health Plus a day.Started Tylan in case of "sneaky Sibo" 12th Feb 2013 as we were not seeing any weight gain although no true sibo signs.  10/4/2013  Started 1tbsp mash sweet potato before every meal for acid reflux - has made a big improvement to his burping. Oct 2013 Started 1tsp slippery elm per day & 1tsp coconut oil daily. Slowly increased to 5 tsps coconut oil a day. Also, on tylan for life.

21/12/2012 Test results at dx B12 257 (range 150-1020) and folate 15.9 (range 11-29). 

14/10/2013 Retested B12  1589 (range 150-1020) Folate 31 Cut wonderlabs to 1x day

27/11/2013 Weight 36kgs.

24/12/2013 Weight 37.3kgs. 3/2/2014 39.20 kgs 19/3/2014 41kgs

3/5/2014 42.85   21/6/2014 45kgs 21/7/2014 45.70  11/10/2014 48.60kgs

Please note: I am not a vet, anything I share or suggest on this site is just from my experience as an EPI dog owner. Please share with your vet anything that is suggested to you on this forum

 

January 14, 2013 at 3:05 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Tracey, Sofie's mom
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Posts: 2065

Mmmmm...Deb, isn't that funny, I thought the same thing with Sofie.

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Tracey, Sofie's mom

Sofie, Shiloh shepherd, born March 2010; diagnosed April 2011. Currently eats 3 cups of TOTW Lamb per day plus a bit of cooked beef, pork, tripe or liver, etc. with 1 tsp. of 8x enzymes per cup. 1 Wonderlabs B12 pill per day, and 3/8 tsp Tylan 2x a day. Her lowest weight was 66 lbs, she is now a lovely 85 lbs.

Please note: I am not a vet, anything I share or suggest on this site is just from my experience as an EPI dog owner. Please share with your vet anything that is suggested to you on this forum.



 





January 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jill
Administrator
Posts: 3731

Ok guys- Mickeys b12 without outside sources was 997ng/L (284-836ng/L) so low b12 is not why HE stinks. hmm. I rinse his mouth out and wipe his face too. Maybe just a stinky guy.(no offense intended guys)

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   Jill-  Washington State

Mickey 6/21/99 - 8/29/2014 

17.5 lb  jack russell, chronic pancreatitis, hyperuricosuria,high blood pressure, hypothyroid, spinal stenosis

diet of  hard boiled eggs, macaroni,  RC Hepatic, mashed potato

2 #2 Dianes enzymes 6x premeal

 2.5 mg Amlodipine, .15mg soloxine am/pm, 100mg ursodiol started for gall bladder thinning

arthritis:  6.25mg tramadol 1x/day, 12.5mg gabapentin every 12 hrs,  Assisi soft loop used on back and elbow, 1- 540meq potassium citrate nightly

Denamarin once a day, 1/16 t tylan (150mg)  2x/day ,  Senilife started 12/14/13, Trixsyn sirup for arthritis, .1mg Adequan weekly by shot. 75mg Tylan 2x./day for SIBO

Optimmune for Dry eyes

 Kiya is Mickeys sister, 3/4 aussie, 1/4 blue heeler born 9/2006.  She thinks she is a 44 lb jack russell who tries to heel Mickey!!

TJ is the newest addition.  He is in the bottom picture with Kiya.  He was born 7/05/2015. 

I am not a vet, just a pet owner sharing what experiences I have had in helping my dogs with other pet owners.  If you have an emergency please call your vet.





January 15, 2013 at 12:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Tracey, Sofie's mom
Member
Posts: 2065

I guess we will have to wait and see what Olesia comes up with to help us track this:)

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Tracey, Sofie's mom

Sofie, Shiloh shepherd, born March 2010; diagnosed April 2011. Currently eats 3 cups of TOTW Lamb per day plus a bit of cooked beef, pork, tripe or liver, etc. with 1 tsp. of 8x enzymes per cup. 1 Wonderlabs B12 pill per day, and 3/8 tsp Tylan 2x a day. Her lowest weight was 66 lbs, she is now a lovely 85 lbs.

Please note: I am not a vet, anything I share or suggest on this site is just from my experience as an EPI dog owner. Please share with your vet anything that is suggested to you on this forum.



 





January 15, 2013 at 2:31 PM Flag Quote & Reply

ualjamie
Member
Posts: 6

karenabsadie at January 14, 2013 at 12:22 AM

It's been a year now since my 8 year Cavalier was diagnosed with EPI and we have been managing the disease pretty well.  She's back up to a normal weight and her poop comes out a healthy looking chocolate brown. The only problem is, the enzyme smell has NOT gone away; its still just as strong as it was the first week she started on them.  She still reeks of a cross between baby vomit and ( as my niece & nephew aptly describe it) "dirty feet."  I've tried different types of enzymes (PancreVed from the Vet/Enzyme Diane 6X and 8X, even Pancreatin capsules from the health food store) and they all treat her EPI, but they all make her stink.  Now with winter here and the windows shut the smell is just really unbearable.  I don't mean to seem ungrateful; I'm very thankful that she's doing so well.  It's just really hard having to constantly cover everything that she sits on with old sheets, constantly having to wash them and her only to have that smell come back within a day.  Everyone notices it and comments on it, even the technicians who clean her teeth.    Has anyone come up with any new suggestions or treatments for this?  I'm willing to try anything at this point.  I know in some of the older discussions someone mentioned that the enteric coated capsules (Creon was the name I think)  don't make dogs smell as bad.  Thanks for all of your help from me and my little vomit monster! :)

Karen & Sadie

OMG I hope you received some advise on this as Murphy smells HORRIBLE too! Any advise??

January 29, 2018 at 10:54 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Marilyn Marinelli
Member
Posts: 885

My dog was smelling at first also until she was placed on Creon enzymes (capsule form) then the smell went away.  Also, I would consider checking your dogs B12 level is it above normal?  600+ is the starting point.  My dog gets 2 B12 with intrinsice factor (2 times a day one at each meal).  You can purchase it at wonderlab.com for $17 a bottle.  That has kept her B12 level up for years.  It has to have the intrinsic factor B12 because that helps with the digestive system.

These are two simple thoughts on the matter. 


January 29, 2018 at 11:50 AM Flag Quote & Reply

karenabsadie
Member
Posts: 9

I can't believe it's been 5 years since I wrote this post and I'm just getting back to it! Please forgive me, I was in graduate school and life was very hectic. I just now read all of your fabulous replies and really appreciate them. I did try many of your suggestions, including regular B12 injections and switching up her food, but alas she still stinks. In fact my brother commented recently on how having to share a small space with her (like a car) was like being in a stockyard! 

The one thing I really wanted to try 5 years ago were the enteric coated tablets but couldn't. When I asked my vet about Creon, we discovered that the company only sells enzymes for humans in the US. Ironoically, I was studying to become a registered dietitian and I worked with a lot of pancreatic cancer patients who would take Creon and discovered that they are unbelievably for a lot of patients, and can cost as much as $1000/per month! Of course, my dog is much smaller than an adult human but I still couldn't get access to them because of #1. the price and #2. A vet can't write a perscription for a drug that's only available for humans. 

I saw a new enteric coated enzyme for dogs called Lypex and was able to order some online. Have any of you had any luck with it? I'm willing to try anything at this point to rid myself of my poor munchkin's unfortunate smell! 


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1 cup of Natural Balance LID Sweet Potato & Fish (salmon) dry food 

1 tsp. Enzyme Diane 8X 

May 21, 2018 at 11:53 PM Flag Quote & Reply

maddie ann
Administrator
Posts: 3686

Hello welcome back !

Well creon is available in the US alot of  our members on here for various reasons use it and i am not 100% certain but i do seem to rember that Creon 5 you could get over the counter without a vet prescription ( that may have changed) i also seem to think that some members get the vet prescription and ship in from canada its cheaper.But i will get this verfied and let you know  and yes the vet can write a prescription for a human drug.

I have used Lypex because i am based in the UK i would imagine it may be expensive to ship into the states so first off get the Creon.

Also have you tried the B12 tablets from wonderlabs instead of the injections we tend to give these daily.

SIBO is said to make the dogs stinky how are the poops ...has she ever had a course of antibotics.

Are you on a grain free diet.....


http://www.epi4dogs.com/PDF%20Files/CREON%20pricing-3a.pdf ( please note that this is dated 2010)

https://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881

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 ANN (UK).

Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now  10  DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2.

After 15 months on the B12 tablets with the intrisic factor she was retested and her b12 was 902 which gave me the confidence to continue without injections.

Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs)

Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has  b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/

She has panzym altough over the years we have had to increase the dose she currently has 1/2 tsp per feed.


May 22, 2018 at 4:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Patsy
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Marti stank until I changed to Lypex and other coated tablets or capsules, as in my signature.  Again, these are all UK  products, and  you would need to email the companies to enquire about shipping and customs regulations.    I know how you feel!

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Marti  Springer Spaniel, owned by Patsy, Sheffield, England.  She died age 12yrs 6mths  on 27/11/14 from heart failure. Diagnosed after three months, when she was 4 years old,she dropped from 24 kilos to 17 kg.  initially she also had protein losing enteropathy, treated with steroids, ,raw sores on back, obsessive thirst, bursting bowels and biadder, then stable after 2 years.   Developed another autoimmune problem with muscular myositis on head ( muscles wasted away, leaving gaunt hollows.)  She also suffered sometimes from  bottom end thrush, anal  gland infections, and recurrent SIBO treated with 4 weeks of oxytetracycline each time. 

Enzymes: Panzym caused mouth problems, resulting in tooth removal , as I didn't know at the time how caustic it was. I changed to one Lypex  then used VetUk Pancreatic Nutrient tablets, and one Chemeyes because it is half the strength, and I didn't need to use two vet uk ones. Then 3 Chemeyes or  2 pancreatic Nutrient  per meal. 

B12 injection monthly.  Trinfac B12 + intrinsic factor capsules from Chemeyes daily. Metacam for knee joints.  Also used Yumpro Bio pre/probiotics.

Food: picky eater,tinned  Chappie saved her life  till she would eat kibble again.  Eden Holistic, Millies Wolfheart and Lily's Kitchen all good,chicken and grain free.

Vets, one caring learner, who had  nervous breakdown, replaced by obnoxious vet , so I rang round  interviewing them to find someone I trusted and would work with us. Since losing Marti and Bob, I have changed again since the good vet us retired.

RIP Bobby the cocker , from PLN.  Present pet, Tinker the fluffy little grey Greek rescue dog. New addition, Jack ,  a neglected rescue terrier, looks like a fox cub and so happy to to be healthy and loved.

 


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