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maddie ann
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My Name is Julie & I live on the Tweed Coast of Australia my dogs Name is Cheeky and I got her from the Animal Welfare League in QLD at 11 weeks old...I noticed abought 8 wks ago she was always hungry and her poops were like little cowpads and lots of them she was a healthy 25kilos and now she weighs 17kilos. I got onto the vet quickly and after blood tests showing she had 2 types of bacterial infections there was something else going on so I started researching the net to find out what I could when I found the site explaining about EPI for which required 1 specific type of blood test which will take 10 days to get results as it had to be sent to the USA so I asked the vet to go ahead....and 2wks ago I got the call yes Julie....your the proud owner of a EPI dog!

February 24, 2013 at 11:24 AM Flag Quote & Reply

maddie ann
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Hi Julie- i have started a new thread up for you.

i like your vets sense of humour you are the proud owner of an EPI dog well welome to the forum were we are all proud owners  .....

Can i ask what treatment you are on i hope it is creon as this is the only one in Australia that works for an EPi dog starting dose is 1 creon 10 to 1cup of food...next point we find that below 4 % fibre works best  grain free suits most dogs Craig has produced a wonderful brochure to aid you with this process :

http://www.epi4dogs.com/PDF%20Files/EPI%20Management%20for%20Australian%20Dogs.pdf

In addition to the right food and enzymes b12 is extremely important low b12 can cause numerous problems  failure to gain weight being nervous it is also one of the components that help rectify bacterial overgrowth which can occur and in conjunction with the b12 antibotics are also required Tylan is preffered.

Intially we also feed our dogs 150% of there daily allowance spread over 3 meals if you can fit this into your schedule.

Please ask as many question as you want we have all been in your shoes and please keep a log ........and finally keep things simple no treats until they are stable it will make your life easier.

 

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 ANN (UK).

Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now  10  DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2.

After 15 months on the B12 tablets with the intrisic factor she was retested and her b12 was 902 which gave me the confidence to continue without injections.

Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs)

Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has  b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/

She has panzym altough over the years we have had to increase the dose she currently has 1/2 tsp per feed.


February 24, 2013 at 11:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Dar
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Hello and welcome !!  Ask away any questions..we are here to help you on your journey!!

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  Dar and Kodi, From Washington state

 ' I aspire to be the person that my dog thinks I am !!'

Kodi (GSD female) , born August 19, 2010 , was diagnosed July 15, 2011 at 11 months .Lowest weight, 47 lbs, weight as of  4/27/2013  62.9 lbs. Our goal for her at this time is now 65 lbs. !!!   And she made it!! .  TLI .07 , Folate 9.4 , Cobalmin 536 .

Kodi is on Pioneer Naturals Whitefish or Venison , 2  cups kibble twice a day with  3/4 teaspoons of enzymes (X 8 ) per cup,from Diane. 1 Trinfac-B capsule once a day. Also 1/8 t. of ground coriander, 1/16 t. of ground fennel seed and cinnamon per meal (for stomach acid and burps). KOdi started having issues again with her feet.. I think it was the peas in the Acana foods..and her poo is good with the Pioneer Naturals too, she is not really happy about eating, but she is happier (or maybe I am to have solved the gnawing of the paws). So we will see how this works !



February 24, 2013 at 6:14 PM Flag Quote & Reply

maddie ann
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Hey there mates....Julie & Cheeky new members of the group...I just wanted to check in & say to all thanks for your input and advice...I monitor this website regularly when I ge the chance so I can learn what I can do to help my pal *Cheeky* I started her on the grain free food a couple of weeks ago & after fighting with the blowflies I went back to the Royal Canin gastro dry with the can and soak in warm water for 30mins with 2 teas of the enzyplex & I give her 1 creon capsule before her food & 1/2 a metro antibiotic! At present she has gained 2.3 kilos and looking good her poops range from solid tan to brown formed & at times yellow soft stools but with all the rain it's hard to tell from 1 day to the next. Her Vet gives vitamin B 12 injections 1 once a fortnight so at this tage its too early to tell as the main objective is to get her stable...all I can say is a long road to finding the right course but we are in it for the long haul....thanks everyone

 

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-Brendas post off the creon thread.

 

March 3, 2013 at 11:40 AM Flag Quote & Reply

maddie ann
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Hello Julie- not sure what you mean about the blow flies and the grain free food?Most of the dogs do better on the non precription foods

The fact that she has gained weight is good but the fact that her poop changes can infer a couple of things....enzyme dose isnt correct Sibo is in play and the metro and the B12 havent kicked in what is your metro dose ?.

The mix of the plant based and the creon...what Creon dose are you on the starting point is 1 creon 10 to 1 cup of food

 

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 ANN (UK).

Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now  10  DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2.

After 15 months on the B12 tablets with the intrisic factor she was retested and her b12 was 902 which gave me the confidence to continue without injections.

Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs)

Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has  b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/

She has panzym altough over the years we have had to increase the dose she currently has 1/2 tsp per feed.


March 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Cheeky & Julie
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Giday Ann & Dar...thanks for the thread & comments....Okay here is how it goes....I have Cheeky on 1 Creon caps a day, I give it to her 5mins before food...I tried the grain free land element & grain free sea shoreboth  from Canidae... I tried this for a couple of weeks 1 cup with 30mins of warm water to have the enzyplex mixed in & with 1/2 tablet of metrogyl 400mg twice a day(antibiotic)  and she gets a b12 shot once a fortnight. The grain free food came out the other end formed but also quite dark and attracted flies like no other Green blowies and the smell was just like dead fish out in the midday sun if U know what I mean. So I put her back on the Royal Canin gastro intestinal food both wet & dry which I had her on before mind you she did pick up the weight when she was on the grain free less poops but a bloddy lot of blowees and thew size was lesser too. He Vet said to keep her on the Royal canin till she is stable then we will try new food...what is your interpretation????Cheers Julie & Cheeky the land downunder

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Cheeky DOB: 12/08/2011 diagnosed with EPI in Nov 12 Changed her medication: 2 x 10000 creon caps + 1 trinfac B12 tablet a day  & 1cup grain free *Land* Element & 1/3 cup of Wellness core grain free food mixed 1/2cup warm water then mix altogether... feeding twice a day morning & night...B12 test 446 + folate 16.4 weight 27.4kg ...as of the 02/12/2017.......... Happy Days......


March 5, 2013 at 4:41 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Cheeky & Julie
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Opps I feed Cheeky 3 times a day with 1 creon before each meal and the antibotics twice a day morning & night the enzyplex is a supplement that my vewt wants to continue with as it it has other trace elements that is helpful in Cheeky's digestive tract.

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Cheeky DOB: 12/08/2011 diagnosed with EPI in Nov 12 Changed her medication: 2 x 10000 creon caps + 1 trinfac B12 tablet a day  & 1cup grain free *Land* Element & 1/3 cup of Wellness core grain free food mixed 1/2cup warm water then mix altogether... feeding twice a day morning & night...B12 test 446 + folate 16.4 weight 27.4kg ...as of the 02/12/2017.......... Happy Days......


March 5, 2013 at 4:45 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Samantha
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Hi Julie, a warm welcome to  you and Cheeky!

 

Ok, first thing first.

 

Creon - You don't need to incubate/add water. We here in Oz have enteric capsules which can be given whole (Added to the food). Cheeky will need 1 tablet with each meal - So if you feed her 2 or 3 times a day, a Creon will be needed with each. Your second post seems to have this covered, so that's perfect!

 

Metrogyl - one of the common antibiotics used here. Personally, Kobe never responded to Metrogyl and I had to try Oxytetracycline during the first SIBO attack and Tylan last year for the second relapse.

 

B12 - that is good you're on to shot already, its often something which is missed and it can really hinder a dogs ability to get stable, while also 'welcoming' SIBO. Did Cheeky have a B12/Folate blood test once EPI was confirmed? If so, do you have the test results handy?

 

Enzymeplex - I never had any good response by using this, that's not to say it doesn't work, but it isn't equivalent to Creon as it is derived from plants. It's probably an expense that can be done without short term, but it's entirely up to you.

 

What you want to achieve is stability. And you get that by analysing poop. Listening for gas. Watching water intake. Cheeky's poo was fine while on Canidae - that is extremely good. The important part of food in relation to EPI dogs is the type of fibre which is present - Soluble & insoluble. If she was stable (Which by the sounds of it she was by having good poos and gaining weight) I wiould slowly ween her back onto it. There are also other Canidae Grain Free products available. Perhaps try her back on Canidae alone without Sea Shore (?). If it smelt like fish, I'd put it down to the Sea one being the culprit. With EPI it is a process of elimination, so we usually recommend one change at a time. For example, if you were to put Cheeky back on grain free, ween her back onto it over a 7 day period, incorporating it with her current kibble until she is switched completely. Once done, wait a few days, and then change something else if required - for example if you wanted to cut Enzymeplex out.

 

What are Cheeky's poos like at the moment? Has she been prescribed any other antibiotic aside from Metrogyl?

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Kobe - 9yo GSD diagnosed with EPI in October 2009 (19 months old). 2 cups of Canidae Bison & Lamb Grain Free, fed 3 times daily,  2 Creon 25,000 per meal. Weekly B12 injections at home & daily Wonderlab Trinfac-B in between. Inner Health Plus Probiotic once a week.. EPI weight 33.5kgs, current weight 40kgs. Original blood results - TLi: 1.2, B12: 306, Folate: 15.6.

Blood results April 2013 - B12: 596, Folate: >20.

Read Kobe's journal that was started the day he was diagnosed here.

March 5, 2013 at 5:16 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Cheeky & Julie
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Hi Sam & Kobe

Thank you so much for the good advice ..One of the good things (if any) is that we got onto the problem early...in saying this Cheeky & her Vet are going through the process of illiminaton..It has been over 7yrs since the vet has had to treat an EPI dog so we are just working at it slowly...I weigh Cheeky at the end of each week and at present she is stable on 19.4kg...As this is all new to me I have had to deal with deaths in the family & now with my baby I'm alittle anxious in having her get stable ASAP...I need to just slow down and have the tolerence to be patient & work at doing things slowly...Yes she was doing alot better on grain free..less poops better looking and the smell I guess I just have to deal with it.....her poops fluctuate between small firm tan in colour to soft large light brown....I was wondering why the cat was eating so much of his food till I found out why...I let Cheeky in the house and I just have to remember to pick up the cat food before she finds it! Little bugger sits all cute & cuddly on her mat (like her pic) as if she is so innocent! NOT!...Once again thank you so much for the info...We so much appreciate good hints and valued insight.....

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Cheeky DOB: 12/08/2011 diagnosed with EPI in Nov 12 Changed her medication: 2 x 10000 creon caps + 1 trinfac B12 tablet a day  & 1cup grain free *Land* Element & 1/3 cup of Wellness core grain free food mixed 1/2cup warm water then mix altogether... feeding twice a day morning & night...B12 test 446 + folate 16.4 weight 27.4kg ...as of the 02/12/2017.......... Happy Days......


March 9, 2013 at 6:23 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Epi4Dogs
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Hi Julie and welcome to our wild and whacky EPI family :D.


What you are describing is very typical of SIBO....and by this time, being treated for EPI with the proper Enzymes (which would be CREON for you in Australia) and with antibiotics for the SIBO...you should no longer see "iffy" poos.... so something needs to be tweaked.....


  • one possibility is that  the Metro antibiotic "might" be working but the food you now have Cheeky on is inviting SIBO by not being the optimal food for her....
  • the other possibility is that the food is fine and the Metro is not thoroughly address the SIBO and this is why you are seeing the "iffy"  poos
  • and the last possibility is that you are not giving enough CREON... But i highly doubt that this s the case at this time with Cheeky (when EPI dogs on CREON 10 need more CREON... it usually happens much later after the treatment has begun...


at this time.........i would be to put CHeeky back on the grain free food...and if you do not see consistent improvement in the poo within one week... then i would go back to the vet and ask them to exchange the Metro for either Tylan or Oxytetracycline.


Keep us posted!




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Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable 9+ yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.... until she developed Diabetes and now cannot tolerate higher fat foods.

In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8+ years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes, Low Thyroid and High Cholesterol.  Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and  is currently  doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!  Because of Izzy's concurrent conditions of Diabetes and High Cholesterol we had to make changes to our daily EPI routine. We had to alter the fiber, type of fiber and the fat content her diet. She is now on an all home-made diet which she does best on and has even been able to reduce the insuline (Vetsulin:pork-based insulin) . Because of the diet change to all home-made i no longer worry about hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia- -she is much more even-keeled with a diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, sometimes a free range egg, cottage cheese,  fish oil+vitamins and bone meal. We tried Novolin N a human synthetic RNA insulin.... but Izzy did not do well on it. aside from all of Izzy's health issues.... she continues to wake up every day full of joy and a great sense of humor!

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal expereinces, observations, information gleaned from EPI research, and information shared with me by EPI researchers....that hopefully may help others. Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet.

March 9, 2013 at 9:59 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Cheeky & Julie
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Epi4Dogs at March 9, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Hi Julie and welcome to our wild and whacky EPI family :D.


What you are describing is very typical of SIBO....and by this time, being treated for EPI with the proper Enzymes (which would be CREON for you in Australia) and with antibiotics for the SIBO...you should no longer see "iffy" poos.... so something needs to be tweaked.....


  • one possibility is that  the Metro antibiotic "might" be working but the food you now have Cheeky on is inviting SIBO by not being the optimal food for her....
  • the other possibility is that the food is fine and the Metro is not thoroughly address the SIBO and this is why you are seeing the "iffy"  poos
  • and the last possibility is that you are not giving enough CREON... But i highly doubt that this s the case at this time with Cheeky (when EPI dogs on CREON 10 need more CREON... it usually happens much later after the treatment has begun...


at this time.........i would be to put CHeeky back on the grain free food...and if you do not see consistent improvement in the poo within one week... then i would go back to the vet and ask them to exchange the Metro for either Tylan or Oxytetracycline.


Keep us posted!




Awh man...........bugger!.........okay okay enough of the whinging on my part I have ordered the grain free food I'm going to kick off with the sky range from Canidiae and hopefully the blow flies will not be so attracted to it....I have a weeks supply of the antibiotic left so this should give me a better indication on what is working on Cheeky as advised....I will however order the Tylan to have on hand to utilise if required thanks guys for the info will keep you up dated......:)

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Cheeky DOB: 12/08/2011 diagnosed with EPI in Nov 12 Changed her medication: 2 x 10000 creon caps + 1 trinfac B12 tablet a day  & 1cup grain free *Land* Element & 1/3 cup of Wellness core grain free food mixed 1/2cup warm water then mix altogether... feeding twice a day morning & night...B12 test 446 + folate 16.4 weight 27.4kg ...as of the 02/12/2017.......... Happy Days......


March 14, 2013 at 11:28 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Epi4Dogs
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funny how you have blow flies interested  in the undigested poo.... here in the USA and Canada, lts of EPI owners will report that they know when the food their EPI dog is not being thoroughly digested because the Magpipes (birds) will start swooping down and eating the poo........


keep us posted on CHeeky... hope the grain free food is the answer!!

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Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable 9+ yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.... until she developed Diabetes and now cannot tolerate higher fat foods.

In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8+ years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes, Low Thyroid and High Cholesterol.  Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and  is currently  doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!  Because of Izzy's concurrent conditions of Diabetes and High Cholesterol we had to make changes to our daily EPI routine. We had to alter the fiber, type of fiber and the fat content her diet. She is now on an all home-made diet which she does best on and has even been able to reduce the insuline (Vetsulin:pork-based insulin) . Because of the diet change to all home-made i no longer worry about hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia- -she is much more even-keeled with a diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, sometimes a free range egg, cottage cheese,  fish oil+vitamins and bone meal. We tried Novolin N a human synthetic RNA insulin.... but Izzy did not do well on it. aside from all of Izzy's health issues.... she continues to wake up every day full of joy and a great sense of humor!

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal expereinces, observations, information gleaned from EPI research, and information shared with me by EPI researchers....that hopefully may help others. Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet.

March 14, 2013 at 11:49 PM Flag Quote & Reply

maddie ann
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Julie- can you also check what b12 injections you are on ie we need generic not complex alot of the vets in Australia dont seem to use the right one i would also recommend ordering the b12 tablets from wonderlabs there is a direct link on my signature for these they are great for ongoing mainteance.

If after changing to grain free the blow flies still cause a problem then i think a creon tweak is in order..as olesia said this indicates undigested food.

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 ANN (UK).

Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now  10  DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2.

After 15 months on the B12 tablets with the intrisic factor she was retested and her b12 was 902 which gave me the confidence to continue without injections.

Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs)

Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has  b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/

She has panzym altough over the years we have had to increase the dose she currently has 1/2 tsp per feed.


March 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Epi4Dogs
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yup... blowflies and magpipes... part of the EPI testing regimen :D

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Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb SWD, Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Stable 9+ yrs! Once stable, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each meal, but after almost 4 years of stabilization... had to increase the amount of enzymes to 3/4 teaspoon with each meal. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil one day and 1 tsp salmon oil next day, and also give canned sardines packed without salt or canned herring for extra omega oils.... until she developed Diabetes and now cannot tolerate higher fat foods.

In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. We also discovered that now, at 8+ years old, she not only has EPI, but also Diabetes, Low Thyroid and High Cholesterol.  Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the kindness of so many here on epi4dogs and  is currently  doing extra-ordinarily well. If anyone could spend a day with Izzy, they would never guess that she has any health problems!  Because of Izzy's concurrent conditions of Diabetes and High Cholesterol we had to make changes to our daily EPI routine. We had to alter the fiber, type of fiber and the fat content her diet. She is now on an all home-made diet which she does best on and has even been able to reduce the insuline (Vetsulin:pork-based insulin) . Because of the diet change to all home-made i no longer worry about hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia- -she is much more even-keeled with a diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, sometimes a free range egg, cottage cheese,  fish oil+vitamins and bone meal. We tried Novolin N a human synthetic RNA insulin.... but Izzy did not do well on it. aside from all of Izzy's health issues.... she continues to wake up every day full of joy and a great sense of humor!

I am not a vet.  All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal expereinces, observations, information gleaned from EPI research, and information shared with me by EPI researchers....that hopefully may help others. Please always share anything and everything recommended on this forum with your vet.

March 15, 2013 at 11:42 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Miss Lulupants
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G'day Julie and apps for not getting to your thread sooner, I missed it completely which isn't hard at the moment. The good news I think is Cheeky's weight, at 19.4kg for her size that would seem to be not too bad and crucially up from the original low of 17. All good signs so she's responding we'll to the current regime especially the Creon (enzyplex as Samantha pointed out is next to useless for EPI). A way to go to get back to around 25 but on the right track!


If the metro doesn't do the job I'd second not trying a second course but switching to Tylan. We ran a few courses of metro before we knew of and could get Tylan and frankly the longer the SIBO persists the harder it is to shift.


and here's to AWL grrrls!! Lulu says they're the best! 8)

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Craig 

Lulu (aka Miss Lulupants) is an 8 year old 'Red Shepherd' (Australian Red Heeler x Long-hair GSD) who lives on the Fleurieu Peninsula, South Australia. Diagnosed with EPI in April 2010. Currently on one Creon 25k per meal; 2 cups Taste of the Wild High Prairie Canine Formula kibble per day (over two meals) + a few drops of Omega 3&6 oil with evening meal. One Wonderlabs Trinfac every so often along with a wad of coconut fat just for kicks. Click here for diet/med details. Miss Lulupants' story has been archived but it starts here. Lulu currently weighs: 19kg (42 pounds) and occasionally reverts to being a Chunky Monkey :P Lulu is super-smart, survived at least one red-bellied black snake bite and is very pretty (everybody says so - including her!)


March 16, 2013 at 7:09 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Cheeky & Julie
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Hey Guys!!!! Okay okay!.....I would just like to say!...oh! excuse me Miss Cheeky would like to announce(sitting by my side while I type this)  her poos are formed and good colour and consistancy! Secondly we changed to the SKY Element Grain free food & mixed it with what she had left of the Royal Canin Gastro dry! in a week we have good poops good consistancy and no blowies!!!!! and thirdly but not the last, CHEEKY HAS HIT THE 20KG MARK!....Now I'm really trying hard to contain my excitment as we still need to stay focused...I do have a question for the group thou... just how many poops is normal?? from yesterdsy evening at 6pm I picked up the last of poops (5) this morning at 9am (I slept in on a day off) 4 medium size good colour good solid form! Still quite abit but I feed her 3 times a day of 250g of the grain free mix plus 1/4 can Royal Canin gastro 1 creon cap before eating 3 teas enzyplex as an added supplement + 1/2 her metro tab in food!......what do you think?? and by the way! giday LULU AWL are awsome!! :)


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Cheeky DOB: 12/08/2011 diagnosed with EPI in Nov 12 Changed her medication: 2 x 10000 creon caps + 1 trinfac B12 tablet a day  & 1cup grain free *Land* Element & 1/3 cup of Wellness core grain free food mixed 1/2cup warm water then mix altogether... feeding twice a day morning & night...B12 test 446 + folate 16.4 weight 27.4kg ...as of the 02/12/2017.......... Happy Days......


March 21, 2013 at 7:25 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jean and Kara
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20 kilos is fab


my vet did a jig when Kara put 2 pounds on so go for it


poops are a difficult one if digestion is correct then there shouldnt be a lot but dont get to uptight about it yet, Cheeky has only just started this journey and by the sounds of it you are well pleased


i would sit back and watch for a few days


i have never used Creon so I will leave it to Craig and the rest of the Aus crew to discuss tweaking which may be necessary


by the way wht was the poop levels before EPI


by the way a huge welcome from us in UK


JEANX

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Kara

 

From Liverpool England


born 21st July 2009


Adopted at five months old 26th December 2009

 

EPI dx August 2010


tli<1.00 folate 8.3 cobalimin 611

Antibiotics  2 Oxytet antibiotics 3 times a day also if we cannot fit the Oxytet in she has Tylan 1/8th teaspoon before her meals as a maintenanance dose

Food- Ashenbank Lamb Casserole  twice daily equalling 3 cups per day possibly more

Zantac (ranitadine) 75 mg 30 minutes before each meal as too much acid was being produced, causing shedding of bowel lining

Enzymes-Panzym 3 gram per meal twice daily ( 3/4 teaspoon ) 

B12 injection once every three weeks

One Chemeyes B12 with intrinsic factor of 40 daily

One Antepsin before bedtime

Allergies to beef, pork, chicken. and white fish confirmed by blood test

33.6 kilos in weight as of 5th May 2013

37 kilos as of 10th June 2014

40.65 kilos, 89.6 pounds as of 3rd March 2015

Vet says she is now processing her food correctly

Very proud of all of us

 

"UNCONDITIONAL LOVE WAS INVENTED BY DOGS"


I am not a vet, nor have veterinary experience, but have lived and breathed EPI for 51/2 years, and hope I can bring some support to others, as others have to me.

 

March 21, 2013 at 7:38 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Cheeky & Julie
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Hey buddy nice pic of you Kara!.......impressive! well you would not believe my mum, we have spent the whole day together & she has just given me my afternoon feed of 250g of grain free kibble mixed with the leftover Royal Canin gastro kibble with creon plus 3 teas of enzy and I have not gone and done a poop since 9am this morning now it is 3:53pm in the afternoon & she is dancing!....& guess what I'm stoked too.......happy days.........

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Cheeky DOB: 12/08/2011 diagnosed with EPI in Nov 12 Changed her medication: 2 x 10000 creon caps + 1 trinfac B12 tablet a day  & 1cup grain free *Land* Element & 1/3 cup of Wellness core grain free food mixed 1/2cup warm water then mix altogether... feeding twice a day morning & night...B12 test 446 + folate 16.4 weight 27.4kg ...as of the 02/12/2017.......... Happy Days......


March 22, 2013 at 12:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

maddie ann
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Here is to hopingyou get 2-3 normal poops a day.....dont forget to check the B12.

Well done with the weight........still not sure about the creon enzyplex combination sometimes these plant based ones work for a while and then stop have you tried using 2 creon instead.

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 ANN (UK).

Maddie DOB 01-10-2007 she is now  10  DX 04/11 .B12 140 now 644 TLI <1.00 Folate 14.2.

After 15 months on the B12 tablets with the intrisic factor she was retested and her b12 was 902 which gave me the confidence to continue without injections.

Weight was 22.3kg now 33.2kg (04-05-12) she is a small GSDbut she gained .(24lbs)

Feed a mixture of foods she does better on fibre 3% and below she has  b12 tablets daily (imported from the USAhttp://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=6881) now changing to the uk version from http://www.chemeyes.co.uk/

She has panzym altough over the years we have had to increase the dose she currently has 1/2 tsp per feed.


March 22, 2013 at 5:01 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Cheeky & Julie
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Hi all.Happy Easter!.Well cheeky is holding her weight! still 20kg looks healthy & happy...I'm feeding grain free and incresed her creon to 2 caps of 10000 as she now eats around 300g twice a day and 250g in afternoon! Her poops are formed and dark brown looking really good..not many blowies! still quite alot of poops arround 7 -9 in a 24hr period but only Medium with maybe 3-4 large ones still aways to go but all in all looking good.will keep U in the loop as time goes on...cheers Cheeky & Julie

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Cheeky DOB: 12/08/2011 diagnosed with EPI in Nov 12 Changed her medication: 2 x 10000 creon caps + 1 trinfac B12 tablet a day  & 1cup grain free *Land* Element & 1/3 cup of Wellness core grain free food mixed 1/2cup warm water then mix altogether... feeding twice a day morning & night...B12 test 446 + folate 16.4 weight 27.4kg ...as of the 02/12/2017.......... Happy Days......


March 30, 2013 at 9:23 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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