Adjust enzyme amount?

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Re: Adjust enzyme amount?

Post by Olesia711 » 01 Feb 2021, 19:14

Thanks for sharing the test results values with us.

Your dogs' B12 is too low..... needs to be in the upper 500's or 600's at the very least.

Jill gave you a great suggestion.... i too highly recommend WOnderlabs Pet Factor B12.... and do use the coupon..... "EPi4Dogs15" although we just got a notice late last week that we now will get 20% off.... but i have not yet said anything because i do not know if it is in effect just yet.... but if you get 20% off, please let us know. AND..... buying directly from Wonderlabs is cheaper than Amazon.

We no longer use the Folate test result to determine if the dog has SID as ALL dogs with EPI have SID to one degree or another.... BUT.... when the Folate test result is high (in the 20's) it is an indication that SID is greatly out-of-control.

SO..... definitely start on a pre+probiotic if you haven't already.... and if that doesn't start to help at all in a few weeks... then ask your vet for a 45 day/twice a day Tylan . YOu can actually just ask your vet to approve a prescription for it for Chewy.com.... https://www.chewy.com/tylan-soluble-powder/dp/173769 and you can order it yourself online.
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Adjust enzyme amount?

Post by Curtis » 02 Feb 2021, 09:15

So looks like I need to order some B12. Question......is all B12 the same as in if I go to a local health food store will that B12 be similar to the Wonderlabs that is recommended here? I ask as I am in Canada and ordering from the States can be timely and costly. For example the enzymes I got from Enzyme Diane that were $88US on the website by the time it was converted to CDN, shipping, duty, etc the total was $167CDN. Still better than the vet, but if I can source items locally I save bigtime in the long run. If the Wonderlabs is that much better no problem, but thought I would ask.

Also, any recommendations on the pre/pro biotics?

Thanks again!

Curtis

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Re: Adjust enzyme amount?

Post by Tuckaboo Pam » 02 Feb 2021, 14:27

Wonderlabs Pet Factor w/Intrinsic Factor is the one that is suggested, and it is the one you need. It is my understanding that human grade B12 is not easily absorbed by dogs. I hope this bottle doesn't double in price, like the enzymes did!---Pam
Tucker is a shepherd/lab mix; he has tested positive on the ScheBo test for EPI, as well as the fasting TLI. Results--- TLI 1.3, Folate 9.7, Cobalamin 666, Lipase 38. Currently taking Diane's Enzymes 4 teaspoons/day, Wonderlab B12 one capsule 2X day, slippery elm 1/4 teaspoon/day, and Tylan 1/4 teaspoon twice/day (therapeutic for returning SID). Sport Dog Elite, herding dogs 3 1/2 cups/day. No more poop eating, his weight is steady, and he is a happy member of the family, though a bit of a stinker, if you ask the other dogs. Tucker is my boyfriend, and my husband is OK with that.

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Re: Adjust enzyme amount?

Post by Barb » 02 Feb 2021, 18:22

Hi Curtis,

A warm welcome to you and your pup. You have received excellent advice .....i will just add my support for the B12 with Intrinsic Factor from Wonderlabs. Often the B12 sold in health food stores is human grade without intrinsic factor which is necessary and helps it to be absorbed by the dogs. Or it is a B Complex, which is not adequate for our pups. Wonderlabs are terrific to work with and they have an excellent product. Hopefully, the 20% discount that Olesia mentioned will help.

I also heartily recommend keeping a log/journal.....which you might already do. We found it to be a sanity-saver. Record everything you give your dog daily and the amounts, then record the resulting poos. This will help you to figure out what works and what needs to be adjusted. It also helps you to see patterns you might not notice if they are not written down.

It sounds like you are off to a good start.

Barb

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Re: Adjust enzyme amount?

Post by Curtis » 03 Feb 2021, 14:22

Thanks again everyone, I ordered the Wonderlabs B12 today and can confirm the code you had provided gave me a 20% discount!!!

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Re: Adjust enzyme amount?

Post by Olesia711 » 03 Feb 2021, 16:23

HI Curtis... Glad you ordered the B1 and thanks for confirming that it gave you 20% off...... Good to know that the 20% is now in effect :)
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Adjust enzyme amount?

Post by Madelon » 03 Feb 2021, 19:52

Hi Curtis! Glad you ordered the B12 as Olesia said your pup's B12 is too low. I've not heard of anyone having issues ordering WonderLabs from Canada so hopefully you won't either. Please keep us updated on how things are going.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Re: Adjust enzyme amount?

Post by Curtis » 02 Mar 2021, 09:43

Finally got my B12 yesterday - took almost a month so will have to plan ahead in the future! In the meantime I had my vet give Lucy a B12 shot and I think it has improved things. In the meantime Lucy had a UTI and had to be treated for that......vets love bulldogs!

Now I have a new question, it seems I am low on enzymes so I went to re-order. I thought I went through my enzymes quicker than I should have so want to check some info with you fine folks. I feed Lucy 1 cup kibble per meal and add 1 teaspoon of enzyme. To be precise, I use a baking teaspoon which says right on it 1 teaspoon and 5 ml. Google tells me that 5 ml is one teaspoon, and that 5 ml = 5 g yet when I look at the Enzyme Diane website it says a teaspoon is 2.8g? Am I just out to lunch or have I been feeding her double the enzyme she should be getting?

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Re: Adjust enzyme amount?

Post by Olesia711 » 02 Mar 2021, 11:14

Hi Curtis,

Rest assured, you are not out to lunch :lol:

You are doing things correctly if you are using a 1 tsp measuring spoon. Yes 5 ml is equal to 1 tsp. I have a set of baking spoons that i also used to measure my enzymes.... and it too says 1 tsp = 5 ml. :)

I also spoke to EnzymeDiane, she said she'll post and explain too :)
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Adjust enzyme amount?

Post by D Sloan » 02 Mar 2021, 11:44

You are doing fine. It is due to the light weight of the powder. 1 teaspoon of sugar is different in grams than 1 teaspoon of enzymes or 1 teaspoon of flour. They are all different densities.
500 grams is about 180 teaspoons but I would scoop a teaspoon, dump it back in and then scoop again gently so it is not packed.

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