Phoebe, Chronic Pancreatitis and Voracious/Starving

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Cranberry21
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Re: Phoebe, Chronic Pancreatitis and Voracious/Starving

Post by Cranberry21 » 29 May 2021, 18:17

Jill,
What you are saying totally makes sense regarding more enzymes to break down proteins. I did know not to use probiotics while she has pancreatitis but didn’t know the reason. I’ve ordered the TotalZymes to arrive tomorrow.

Interesting that you also tried Optagest.

Aside from incubating, any advice about these specific enzymes? Or cautions?

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Re: Phoebe, Chronic Pancreatitis and Voracious/Starving

Post by jilbert57 » 29 May 2021, 21:56

I tasted then in 2012 and they had a slight sweet taste. Mickey had no problem with them but it got to the point the vet wanted him on pancreatic enzymes and those worked the best! There are no instructions on their site, it says 1 scoop per 1 cup food, put in a container with lid and shake to coat all pieces. Feed out of that container. I emailed them but they won't be back in till Tuesday . I asked about the incubation. No, no cautions but it did say to run these by your vet for medication but there should be no issue.

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My name is Jill and we live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. We currently have one pup. TJ is a 5 year old Jack Russell.

Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
He lived from 6/99 - 8/2014

Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.

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Re: Phoebe, Chronic Pancreatitis and Voracious/Starving

Post by jilbert57 » 29 May 2021, 22:03

This is a great article, a lot of information.

https://www.whole-dog-journal.com/healt ... creatitis/

Jill
My name is Jill and we live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. We currently have one pup. TJ is a 5 year old Jack Russell.

Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
He lived from 6/99 - 8/2014

Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.

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Cranberry21
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Re: Phoebe, Chronic Pancreatitis and Voracious/Starving

Post by Cranberry21 » 29 May 2021, 22:24

Thanks Jill! I’ll read the article tonight.

I do appreciate your help.

I’ll be mixing the enzymes into wet (home cooked) food. Maybe I have to use a soup blender or something, unless stirring is good enough.

Best to you!

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Cranberry21
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Re: Phoebe, Chronic Pancreatitis and Voracious/Starving

Post by Cranberry21 » 29 May 2021, 22:25

A question for anyone who might know:

Does Pepcid interfere with the digestion process?

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Re: Phoebe, Chronic Pancreatitis and Voracious/Starving

Post by Olesia711 » 30 May 2021, 11:23

my understanding is that it "should" make the process of digestion better by alleviating things that irritate proper digestion procedure.....
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Phoebe, Chronic Pancreatitis and Voracious/Starving

Post by Cranberry21 » 30 May 2021, 11:44

Yes, Olesia. I think you’re right…”should.” I’ve been wondering if it suppresses too much stomach acid & so is contributing to trouble with protein digestion. I guess I’d have to see if she had a better time on it or off.

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Re: Phoebe, Chronic Pancreatitis and Voracious/Starving

Post by Olesia711 » 30 May 2021, 11:53

Debra, it's just so difficult trying to assess what helps and hinders... and i know we strongly recommend keeping a journal to help us along... but it still hurts, watching them struggle while we try to figure things out. HUGS1
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Phoebe, Chronic Pancreatitis and Voracious/Starving

Post by Cranberry21 » 30 May 2021, 11:58

You are so right! Hugs back!

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Re: Phoebe, Chronic Pancreatitis and Voracious/Starving

Post by Madelon » 31 May 2021, 21:58

Wish I could offer some suggestions but I have on experience with pancreatitis. I do give Doc Omeprazole 30 minutes before every meal which seems to help him. I can say though in testing my theories of B12 and other things with him - I keep the journal noting what I'm giving and the results and then when there is absolutely NOTHING else going on with him I stopped giving what I thought was helping him/hurting him - made notes and then added the "something" back in and made notes - I call it "proofing". I was able to figure a few things out doing this.

Please keep us posted on how things are going.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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