Tucker's Results Are In!!!!!!!

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Tuckaboo Pam
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Re: Tucker's Results Are In!!!!!!!

Post by Tuckaboo Pam » 27 Mar 2021, 18:46

Friends, this is Tucker, but I can't figure out how to make it small enough to be my avatar. It's nice to have a picture, when you're talking about someone.
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Tucker is a shepherd/lab mix; he has tested positive on the ScheBo test for EPI, as well as the fasting TLI. Results--- TLI 1.3, Folate 9.7, Cobalamin 666, Lipase 38. Currently taking Diane's Enzymes 4 teaspoons/day, Wonderlab B12 one capsule per day, slippery elm 1/8 teaspoon twice/day, and Tylan 1/16 teaspoon twice/day (to hold SID at bay). Sport Dog Elite, herding dogs 3 1/2 cups/day. No more poop eating, has gone from 60 to 80 pounds, and he is a happy member of the family, though a bit of a stinker, if you ask the other dogs. Tucker is my boyfriend, and my husband is OK with that.

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Re: Tucker's Results Are In!!!!!!!

Post by Barb » 27 Mar 2021, 20:03

Pam, Tucker is stunningly handsome! That is a great picture.

Glad you finally got results. You now know for sure. But really, you already knew. It's funny how we know things before they actually present themselves. When Kolby was little, I kept thinking there was something unusual about his shape. but I couldn't put my finger on what it was. Of course, once we had him tested, it all made sense. But really, I was sensing it all along without having a name for it.

Tucker looks great. You are doing a fantastic job with him.

Barb

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Re: Tucker's Results Are In!!!!!!!

Post by Madelon » 28 Mar 2021, 11:04

Awwww what a handsome boy - reminds me of Scooby :)
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Re: Tucker's Results Are In!!!!!!!

Post by Tuckaboo Pam » 28 Mar 2021, 19:42

Thanks, Barb & Madelon. He's my big baby, for sure!--Pam
Tucker is a shepherd/lab mix; he has tested positive on the ScheBo test for EPI, as well as the fasting TLI. Results--- TLI 1.3, Folate 9.7, Cobalamin 666, Lipase 38. Currently taking Diane's Enzymes 4 teaspoons/day, Wonderlab B12 one capsule per day, slippery elm 1/8 teaspoon twice/day, and Tylan 1/16 teaspoon twice/day (to hold SID at bay). Sport Dog Elite, herding dogs 3 1/2 cups/day. No more poop eating, has gone from 60 to 80 pounds, and he is a happy member of the family, though a bit of a stinker, if you ask the other dogs. Tucker is my boyfriend, and my husband is OK with that.

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Re: Tucker's Results Are In!!!!!!!

Post by Olesia711 » 29 Mar 2021, 13:27

HI Pam...

WHOA........Tucker is one VERY handsome Pup!!! What an absolute cutie!!!

And thank-goodness... we now know for sure that Tucker does have EPI and you can go forward and treat accordingly, and make adjustments as needed.

The too many/large poos...... usually means that the food is not optimal... and it can mean that there is some itty bitty ingredient in the foods that you have been trying that is not agreeing with him.
Make a chart of all the foods you have tried and list the individual ingredients.... see if there is a repeat of certain ingredients in the foods you tried that produced when the stools were the most crappy (excuse the pun :lol: :)

And i agree with Madelon.... maybe the next food to try would be the Sport Elite/grain free.

Also... the B12 issue.... i do think that 2 capsules could have been too much for Tucker's systems and that might be why he had looser stools on 2. HOWEVER..... knowing that his B12 was in the 600s when you were giving him 2 kind of indicates to me that it is hard for his body to maintain his B12 ..... and yes you did the right thing by withholding B12 capsules for 1 week prior to having the blood tested..... although the body gets rid of any excess B12 if it doesn't need it... it does store it for a short time and this is why it is important to stop oral B12 for 1 week prior to testing and stop injectible 1 month prior to testing. ... or else you will get a false reading of what the actual B12 level is in the dogs body. ..

SOOOOoooooooooooooo...... what i would do with the B12 is for 1 week give the oral B12 every other day.... record the poo results.... and then starting the next week give the oral B12 once a day and again..... record the poo results.
If the poos go south again..... talk to your vet about having him sell you a vial of B12 serum and teaching you how to inject Tucker with B12 serum at home on a weekly basis.... again.... watch the poo output.... and if both of these give the same reaction....... THEN you might need to try a 3rd type of B12 called Hydroxocobalamin (it is used for people).....
Please keep me posted on this! It may take some time, but we will figure it out...
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Tucker's Results Are In!!!!!!!

Post by Tuckaboo Pam » 29 Mar 2021, 19:15

Olesia---Thank you so much. You always give such complete answers! I will tweak the B12, and I have sport dog elite on order. I'll keep y'all posted!---Pam
Tucker is a shepherd/lab mix; he has tested positive on the ScheBo test for EPI, as well as the fasting TLI. Results--- TLI 1.3, Folate 9.7, Cobalamin 666, Lipase 38. Currently taking Diane's Enzymes 4 teaspoons/day, Wonderlab B12 one capsule per day, slippery elm 1/8 teaspoon twice/day, and Tylan 1/16 teaspoon twice/day (to hold SID at bay). Sport Dog Elite, herding dogs 3 1/2 cups/day. No more poop eating, has gone from 60 to 80 pounds, and he is a happy member of the family, though a bit of a stinker, if you ask the other dogs. Tucker is my boyfriend, and my husband is OK with that.

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Re: Tucker's Results Are In!!!!!!!

Post by Olesia711 » 29 Mar 2021, 20:06

Pam, just want to also say... thank you for being so diligent with Tucker.... glad you got him properly tested and now we know what we have to work with.....
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Tucker's Results Are In!!!!!!!

Post by Tuckaboo Pam » 05 May 2021, 16:35

Madelon--I tried to just send a message through the Contact page, but I couldn't figure out how to submit the form.

I decided to try Dr. Mercola's Spot On, and I was wondering what you give Doc for heartworm prevention? I hope you see this. Thanks so much---Pam
Tucker is a shepherd/lab mix; he has tested positive on the ScheBo test for EPI, as well as the fasting TLI. Results--- TLI 1.3, Folate 9.7, Cobalamin 666, Lipase 38. Currently taking Diane's Enzymes 4 teaspoons/day, Wonderlab B12 one capsule per day, slippery elm 1/8 teaspoon twice/day, and Tylan 1/16 teaspoon twice/day (to hold SID at bay). Sport Dog Elite, herding dogs 3 1/2 cups/day. No more poop eating, has gone from 60 to 80 pounds, and he is a happy member of the family, though a bit of a stinker, if you ask the other dogs. Tucker is my boyfriend, and my husband is OK with that.

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Re: Tucker's Results Are In!!!!!!!

Post by Kohlesmomma » 09 May 2021, 09:13

Oh my goodness Pam, Tucker is a cutie!...just an f.y.i- kohle poops 3-4 times daily and I feel it's too volumous and eats sport elite. I think he poops too much for the amount he eats. At any rate, his poop looks pretty good , just more than a normal dog. I started giving him only 1 b12 daily, and this seems about after a week, things are changing for the better. I know every dog responds differently, but Mr. Kohle is now 89lbs so I just don't worry so much any more with the # of times he goes if everything else looks good. It sounds lije Tucker has good momma! Happy Mothers Day!

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Re: Tucker's Results Are In!!!!!!!

Post by Tuckaboo Pam » 09 May 2021, 13:23

Hi Kellie! Happy Mother's Day!

Tucker's poo looks good (still a lot), but it is a little soft, even on the herding dogs recipe, so I just don't know.

Soooo glad to hear Kohle is doing well! Take Care --- Pam
Tucker is a shepherd/lab mix; he has tested positive on the ScheBo test for EPI, as well as the fasting TLI. Results--- TLI 1.3, Folate 9.7, Cobalamin 666, Lipase 38. Currently taking Diane's Enzymes 4 teaspoons/day, Wonderlab B12 one capsule per day, slippery elm 1/8 teaspoon twice/day, and Tylan 1/16 teaspoon twice/day (to hold SID at bay). Sport Dog Elite, herding dogs 3 1/2 cups/day. No more poop eating, has gone from 60 to 80 pounds, and he is a happy member of the family, though a bit of a stinker, if you ask the other dogs. Tucker is my boyfriend, and my husband is OK with that.

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