Newly Diagnoised

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PipersMom
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Pet name: Piper
My name: Shawn

Re: Newly Diagnoised

Post by PipersMom » 11 May 2021, 05:28

I am very happy with Piper's progress. Her stool has been firm since starting the enzymes. This is the first time ever she has had good stool. She is also loving her new food. Her food does not have grains, lentils yes but grains no. Her vet wants her on some so I have the Minute Rice Brown Rice and Quinoa. I put maybe a tablespoon of it in each meal. That is her grains.

Treats. I give her one of two treats. I have the Royal Canin HP treats but what she really loves are the SoJo's Good Dog Blueberry Cobbler and Apple Pie biscuits. There are only 5 ingredients to each and no grains. However I contacted the company explaining she is on a strict diet and these are one of the only treats she likes and can eat. They no longer make them :cry: But the women there sent me 4 boxes that they had inventory. Now I am on the hunt for new treats. We use them for training and treats. She also has Cheerios we can give her. What does everyone use as treats? I do not treat the treats with the medicine and she still does great.

Yesterday I gave Piper her B-12 injection. I really need to get comfortable. She yelped a tiny bit. This is only the second time I gave it to her on my own. Any suggestions on that?
I am Shawn, from NJ. Piper is ChowChow, German Shepherd, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Bluetick Coonhound, Border Collie, and a little Pit. Born 8/28/19.

EPI Diagnoised
: 4/7/21 (cTLI-1.8, B-12-<150, Folate->24). Started Enzymes 4/8/21. 6 Weekly B-12 inj. given. Piper's weight is a steady 50 to 50.8lbs. Lowest weight 42lbs. As of 4/5/21 B12 was 505.
Daily Medications: PancreVed Powder, B-12 1000mg tabs, Proin, Gabapentin, Proviable-Forte Capsule. If needed: Pepcid, zofran, Carprofen
Current Food: The Farmers Dog Beef Recipe (Old food Royal Canin HP)

Tuckaboo Pam
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Re: Newly Diagnoised

Post by Tuckaboo Pam » 11 May 2021, 13:35

I use Mother Hubbard and Fruitables, but I'm not sure of the ingredients.

Tucker gets a few each day, without enzymes, which may be why his poo is a little soft. Just a little, though.
Tucker is a shepherd/lab mix; he has tested positive on the ScheBo test for EPI, as well as the fasting TLI. Results--- TLI 1.3, Folate 9.7, Cobalamin 666, Lipase 38. Currently taking Diane's Enzymes 4 teaspoons/day, Wonderlab B12 one capsule per day, slippery elm 1/8 teaspoon twice/day, and Tylan 1/16 teaspoon twice/day (to hold SID at bay). Sport Dog Elite, herding dogs 3 1/2 cups/day. No more poop eating, has gone from 60 to 80 pounds, and he is a happy member of the family, though a bit of a stinker, if you ask the other dogs. Tucker is my boyfriend, and my husband is OK with that.

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Re: Newly Diagnoised

Post by Barb » 11 May 2021, 16:22

The only time Kolby ever reacted to the B12 injection was at the beginning when I had the wrong size needle. When I switched to the right size, he never even felt it and used to sit and wait while I gave it to him because he knew he would get an enzymed treat. Do you know the number of the needle you are using? I used size 25. He never felt a thing. There shouldn't be any yelping or indication of pain.

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PipersMom
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Re: Newly Diagnoised

Post by PipersMom » 12 May 2021, 10:49

The sticker on the baggie they were in says the needles are 22 x 3/4.


I am having a tough time with Piper going outside. All she wants to do is eat grass and now eat those damn helicopters that fall from the trees. As soon as she does I bring her right in.
I am Shawn, from NJ. Piper is ChowChow, German Shepherd, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Bluetick Coonhound, Border Collie, and a little Pit. Born 8/28/19.

EPI Diagnoised
: 4/7/21 (cTLI-1.8, B-12-<150, Folate->24). Started Enzymes 4/8/21. 6 Weekly B-12 inj. given. Piper's weight is a steady 50 to 50.8lbs. Lowest weight 42lbs. As of 4/5/21 B12 was 505.
Daily Medications: PancreVed Powder, B-12 1000mg tabs, Proin, Gabapentin, Proviable-Forte Capsule. If needed: Pepcid, zofran, Carprofen
Current Food: The Farmers Dog Beef Recipe (Old food Royal Canin HP)

Jane&Clyde
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Re: Newly Diagnoised

Post by Jane&Clyde » 13 May 2021, 16:29

Since beef seems to be going well and dogs love meat, you might want to consider freeze dried beef, beef hearts, beef liver, etc. for treats. There are several brands that make them.

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Re: Newly Diagnoised

Post by Jean » 14 May 2021, 04:36

As Kara got older she could tolerate treats but its not advised

we trained her with a squeaky ball or a tennis ball, either would do so long as she got it !

the enzymes only last to digest the food at the time, so they last maybe 1 hour if they are powder, and then are useless
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


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Re: Newly Diagnoised

Post by Madelon » 16 May 2021, 10:26

Glad to hear Piper is doing so well. My boy can't tolerate any treats - I tried making my own dehydrated kibble treats with enzymes but even that didn't go over too well. Luckily he loves ice cubes so that is all he gets as a treat. Just keep an eye on the poops to make sure whatever new treat you try agrees with Piper :)
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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PipersMom
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Re: Newly Diagnoised

Post by PipersMom » 16 May 2021, 10:42

I have the three treats (SoJos Good Dog, Royal Canin HP and Cheerios) that she can and does eat and thankfully no ill effects and poop good.

She loves RawHide but I am hesitant on giving it to her. My husband wants to give her one. I keep saying no. As for toys, she will rip thru EVERYTHING.. except those toys that are hard nylon (Bullymake, Benebone or Super Chewers). We tried Kong, invincibles and any other super chewer toys and she rips them all :shock:
I am Shawn, from NJ. Piper is ChowChow, German Shepherd, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Bluetick Coonhound, Border Collie, and a little Pit. Born 8/28/19.

EPI Diagnoised
: 4/7/21 (cTLI-1.8, B-12-<150, Folate->24). Started Enzymes 4/8/21. 6 Weekly B-12 inj. given. Piper's weight is a steady 50 to 50.8lbs. Lowest weight 42lbs. As of 4/5/21 B12 was 505.
Daily Medications: PancreVed Powder, B-12 1000mg tabs, Proin, Gabapentin, Proviable-Forte Capsule. If needed: Pepcid, zofran, Carprofen
Current Food: The Farmers Dog Beef Recipe (Old food Royal Canin HP)

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Re: Newly Diagnoised

Post by jilbert57 » 16 May 2021, 11:06

For Mickeys Adequan shots I would smear reconstituted PB2 or some canned food on a likmat and he would be busily licking while I gave his injection in neck nape after an enzymed meal.

Jill
My name is Jill and we live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. We currently have one pup. TJ is a 5 year old Jack Russell.

Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
He lived from 6/99 - 8/2014

Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.

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Re: Newly Diagnoised

Post by Barb » 17 May 2021, 18:47

You might want to try the 25 needle. It is smaller and she should not feel it at all. By the way, the larger the number for needle size, the smaller it is. So the size 25 is thinner than the size 22 you are using.

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