Need Tips for Using Bagged Enzymes

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CindyR
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Need Tips for Using Bagged Enzymes

Post by CindyR » 16 Jun 2021, 17:27

Hello, My border collie has not been tested for EPI, but she had all of the symptoms and my vet suggested we try the enzymes. She had an immediate and incredible response, so we know this is the answer to her problems. We started with PancrePlus but have used one sample size bag of EnzymesDiane with equivalent results. I am planning to order more EnzymesDiane. I found it difficult to use the EnzymesDiane directly out of the bag, and I am wondering if anyone has tips for making it easier to use it from the bag without touching or spilling the enzymes. Is there any reason I should not transfer it to a large, opaque plastic jar with a screw-on lid? I don't want to do anything that would compromise the quality of the enzymes.

Thank you so much for this website. I was just about to despair of finding out what was wrong with our dog as she was gradually starving to death despite eating enormous amounts of food.

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Re: Need Tips for Using Bagged Enzymes

Post by jilbert57 » 16 Jun 2021, 18:59

Hi Cindy, welcome to you and Dixie.
We would encourage you to post information about Dixie so we can help you. Somewhere down the line you might want to have the fasting cTli test to confirm Epi as long term use of pancreatic enzymes is not recommended if the dog is not Epi. There are other conditions that can mimic Epi.
I did a search of enzyme storage and found this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=521&p=5474&hilit=En ... rage#p5474

Jill
My name is Jill and we live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. We currently have one pup. TJ is a 5 year old Jack Russell.

Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
He lived from 6/99 - 8/2014

Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.

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Re: Need Tips for Using Bagged Enzymes

Post by Madelon » 16 Jun 2021, 20:19

Hi Cindy

Welcome to you and Dixie. I'm glad you are seeing results so quickly! While it's okay to treat as if EPI for a short time, we do not recommend treating as if EPI without having the cTLI blood test run because EPI can mimic many other dog conditions which left untreated can be fatal.

As for storing/using the bag enzymes, some people put just what they need for a week at a time in glass mason jar or tupperware container. As long as they are sealed tight and don't exceed the storage temperature guidelines you should be fine with whatever method works for you.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Re: Need Tips for Using Bagged Enzymes

Post by CindyR » 16 Jun 2021, 21:32

Thank you very much for the helpful information!

Cindy

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Re: Need Tips for Using Bagged Enzymes

Post by Olesia711 » 16 Jun 2021, 23:44

Hi Cindy and welcome to you and Dixie.

What i used to do with the enzymes is that i would pour some in a tupperware and store that on the counter top so that it would be room temperature. The remainder enzymes from EnzymeDiane i would carefully seal in the bag that it came in, then i would seal that in a freezer zip lock bag, and then i would enclose it all in yet another freezer zip lock bag (object is NOT to let any moisture in !) and i would toss this tripled sealed stash of enzymes in the freezer. By freezing it without letting any moisture in it can greatly extend the life of the enzymes. :)

Also... as everyone already mentioned you eventually will want to run a cTLI blood test to confirm EPI. Giving enzymes won't hurt any dog, but you don't want to keep a dog on them forever if not confirmed with EPI cause it just might not be EPI..... sometimes the enzymes help even when whatever is going on is not EPI. BUT....trying enzymes it is great way to see if EPI could be a possibility. :)

Keep us posted on her progress!
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Need Tips for Using Bagged Enzymes

Post by CindyR » 17 Jun 2021, 08:29

Thank you for the great suggestions.

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Re: Need Tips for Using Bagged Enzymes

Post by Tuckaboo Pam » 17 Jun 2021, 16:34

Hi, Cindy! Welcome from Pam & Tucker in FL!

I have been waiting for someone to ask this question, because I LOVE how I store my enzymes! (I am weird)

I have a tin that used to have loose tea in it. It has two lids, the outer one just lifts off, but the inner one has to be pried off with a spoon. When I open a new bag of enzymes (I buy the big bag), I use the smallest measuring cup I have, set my stuff on a dry counter, and scoop the enzymes into the tin. It holds about two cups, I think. The bag gets closed up & put into a ziploc, in a dry cupboard.

THEN, the tin, spoon for prying, and the one teaspoon measuring scoop all get put into a canister with a tight-fitting lid. Set on the shelf with all the other goodies that make Tucker's life manageable. My husband said it looks like I'm storing something illegal in it(????), but to me, those enzymes are a precious commodity, and I won't waste one little bit of that powder, or allow it to get wet.

Honestly, though, the tupperware idea is probably just as good, just make sure you scoop the enzymes into it. This makes less dust, and that enzyme dust can really irritate your lungs if you breath in too much of it. Thanks for letting me share, and good luck!---Pam
Tucker is a shepherd/lab mix; he has tested positive on the ScheBo test for EPI, as well as the fasting TLI. Results--- TLI 1.3, Folate 9.7, Cobalamin 666, Lipase 38. Currently taking Diane's Enzymes 4 teaspoons/day, Wonderlab B12 one capsule per day, slippery elm 1/8 teaspoon twice/day, and Tylan 1/16 teaspoon twice/day (to hold SID at bay). Sport Dog Elite, herding dogs 3 1/2 cups/day. No more poop eating, has gone from 60 to 80 pounds, and he is a happy member of the family, though a bit of a stinker, if you ask the other dogs. Tucker is my boyfriend, and my husband is OK with that.

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Re: Need Tips for Using Bagged Enzymes

Post by CindyR » 17 Jun 2021, 17:11

Thank you. This is all very helpful. I ordered some long-handled stainless steel measuring spoons hoping those will also help. I really like the idea of putting just some of it into a more secure and user-friendly container and storing the bulk of it carefully bagged and put away for later.

I know what you mean about a precious commodity and not wanting to waste any of it!

Cindy

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