Zoe, spitting up clear liquid

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Re: Zoe, spitting up clear liquid

Post by jilbert57 » 29 Apr 2019, 09:16

Wow Zoe is gorgeous. What a great update. Keep it up!
My name is Jill and I live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. I have two dogs: Kiya is an aussie/blue heeler and is 13, TJ is a 4 year old Jack Russell. They keep me on my toes.
Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.

Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.
6/1999 - 8/2014

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Re: Zoe, spitting up clear liquid

Post by Olesia711 » 29 Apr 2019, 10:02

OMG..... Not only is Zoe gorgeous (and i love the reference from rat tail to fox tail !) what an amazing improvement.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the wight gain. GOOD JOB!

So glad to read and actually see such fabulous before and after improved health pictures....

If okay with you, i'd like to submit these to Dr. Williams for possible consideration as a cover picture of "before and after" in a British Vet Educational teaching manual...... a while back we asked for high resolution before and after pics with good facial expressions... and a lot of pictures were submitted.... however... a few weeks ago i asked if they made a decision yet on the cover shot and the answer was no, not yet because they are very busy working on the content..... so.........i suspect that it is not too late to submit Zoe's before and after pictures with your permission of course. Please email me at: olesia.kennedy@gmail.com if you would like to give me permission for this!
Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Doing great 12+ years later! Once stable at 3+ months, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each cup of food, but as she aged- -had to go back 1 tsp enzymes per cup of food. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil / fish oil daily .... until she developed Diabetes and she now cannot tolerate higher fat foods. Currently feed an 80% home-made diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, 1/3 of a raw egg, fat free cottage cheese, fish oil+vitamins and bone meal with 20% Annamaet Lean & Grain Free kibble. This combo has regulated her Diabetes (takes Vetsulin) and EPI and is very well managed. In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. This is when we discovered that she also developed Diabetes & Low Thyroid. Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the generosity of folks on Epi4dogs! Izzy continues to wake up every day full of joy. I am not a vet. All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal experiences, observations, information gleaned from EPI researchers & pet parents alike, and EPI research. Please share with your vet everything we suggest.

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Re: Zoe, spitting up clear liquid

Post by Miss Maddie Moo » 29 Apr 2019, 13:11

Well done she is looking fab.
Maddie DX April 2011 along with low B12 she was feed with a low fibre food below 3% , fat was not restricted ( she wasnt good on pea based foods ) She initially had a course of B12 shots weekly over a period of 6 months and then we used the B12 pills from Chemeyes in the UK . We used Panzym and slowly had to increase the dose as she aged when she was first DX she was 23kg but she gained weight quickly and got back to 33 kg .
Maddie gained her angel wings in Jan 2018 at the age of 10 to a condition unrelated to EPI.
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Re: Zoe, spitting up clear liquid

Post by sonjawooden » 29 Apr 2019, 20:47

Thank you everyone for all your support! Feel free to use these before and after pictures for any purposes or sources you desire. Permission given.

I also should have mentioned that we were able to wean Zoe off of all Tylan, at least for now, and her poops still look pretty good. Just for grins, I will attach before and after poop pictures!!
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My name is Sonja. Zoe is a 3 y/o female German Shepherd. Dx 8/30/18. Weighed 60 pounds at dx and now weighs 66.6 pounds (after 19 days of treatment). Sport Dog Food Whitefish formula 2 cups 2 times a day. Currently using Bio Case enzymes 1 7/8 teaspoon per 2 cups of food 2 times a day, but will be switching to Enzyme Diane's 6x when we run out. Add slightly less than 1/2 teaspoon Slippery Elm to each feeding (2x/day) and 1000 mg of B-12 PetFactor once a day added to dinner.

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Re: Zoe, spitting up clear liquid

Post by Jean » 30 Apr 2019, 04:22

Boy do I remember those pre enzyme beauties !

Thanks for the permission, its so important for senior vets and researchers to have evidence of what they say

Kara's Specialist did the same for his lectures

j
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We use Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


Jeanx

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Re: Zoe, spitting up clear liquid

Post by Olesia711 » 30 Apr 2019, 07:50

Sonja,

So happy that Zoe is doing so well now.... it sure was a long journey... but worth it, eh?!

I know this will sound crazy.... but thanks for sharing the poop pictures too... as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.... AND..... EPI'rs really do appreciate pictures of poop :lol: (we are such a strange, but loving group!!!)

And thank you so much for permission to submit Zoe's pics. No promises... as the publishers have full control over what pics they pick :)...but... it sure would be nice to have a before and after EPI dog on the cover of a teaching manual! So....it will be a wait and see decision... paws and fingers crossed whenever they get around to selecting their cover photos.... we'll let folks here know if any of ou EPI dogs photo's were selected.
Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Doing great 12+ years later! Once stable at 3+ months, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each cup of food, but as she aged- -had to go back 1 tsp enzymes per cup of food. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil / fish oil daily .... until she developed Diabetes and she now cannot tolerate higher fat foods. Currently feed an 80% home-made diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, 1/3 of a raw egg, fat free cottage cheese, fish oil+vitamins and bone meal with 20% Annamaet Lean & Grain Free kibble. This combo has regulated her Diabetes (takes Vetsulin) and EPI and is very well managed. In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. This is when we discovered that she also developed Diabetes & Low Thyroid. Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the generosity of folks on Epi4dogs! Izzy continues to wake up every day full of joy. I am not a vet. All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal experiences, observations, information gleaned from EPI researchers & pet parents alike, and EPI research. Please share with your vet everything we suggest.

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Re: Zoe, spitting up clear liquid

Post by sonjawooden » 30 Apr 2019, 09:15

I think the poop pictures are super important because I think if our vet would have asked us if Zoe’s poop looked like pale yellow cow patties, I know we would have gotten her diagnosed earlier, especially in combination to her low weight and unhealthy coat and tail! Not to mention all the poop accidents in her crate when we were gone for even short periods of time and also how often she pooped. It was just confusing because in the beginning she would have good poops and bad poops so we would think she was fine. But instead, EPI was just mentioned as a possibility by the vet but not really pushed, and the testing was pretty expensive, so we waited another couple of months! But after much research, most from this website, I got her tested. I couldn’t have done it without your support and very specific recommendations! I know these doggies can have flare ups, and if so, I will be reaching out again. Thank you for what you do! Sonja
My name is Sonja. Zoe is a 3 y/o female German Shepherd. Dx 8/30/18. Weighed 60 pounds at dx and now weighs 66.6 pounds (after 19 days of treatment). Sport Dog Food Whitefish formula 2 cups 2 times a day. Currently using Bio Case enzymes 1 7/8 teaspoon per 2 cups of food 2 times a day, but will be switching to Enzyme Diane's 6x when we run out. Add slightly less than 1/2 teaspoon Slippery Elm to each feeding (2x/day) and 1000 mg of B-12 PetFactor once a day added to dinner.

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Re: Zoe, spitting up clear liquid

Post by Jean » 30 Apr 2019, 13:37

please feel free to reach out and help new folk, its so important to say you have been there

people are so frightened at the outset of EPI and a helping hand is wonderful

Jeanx
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We use Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


Jeanx

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Re: Zoe, spitting up clear liquid

Post by Barb » 30 Apr 2019, 14:49

Thank you, Sonja! Zoe is a beauty and she has come so far, thanks to you and your good care. Oh, yes, those early poos look very familiar.....so glad they are a memory, for now. Keep the good news coming!

Barb

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Re: Zoe, spitting up clear liquid

Post by Madelon » 05 May 2019, 14:08

Boy do I remember those poops all too well!! You're doing an amazing job managing Zoe's EPI.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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