Update on Lucy and recommendation needed

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wsantschi
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Update on Lucy and recommendation needed

Post by wsantschi » 05 Jan 2022, 13:35

Our Lucy, a 4-year-old GSD was diagnosed last September 10th. She had lost 18+lbs...weighing in at 59 lbs. Fortunately we caught the EPI early and were able to act quickly (Huge thanks to Olesia Kennedy and Diane Sloan for their genuine concern and helping us through this ordeal) Got through the Tylan and Cobalamin regimens without a hitch. Enzymes by Diane 6x are working beautifully. Had the beginnings of a setback in early December as a result of me trying to cut enzymes by a 1/4 tsp per meal. But, Lucy recovered in just a couple of days and has been "poop-perfect" ever since.. She weighed in this morning at 74.3 lbs! She looks terrific!

We've been feeding her 4.5 cups of Purina Pro Plan Sensitive Stomach/Skin over three meals per day. Does anyone have an opinion on going back to 2 meals per day and cutting back to an amount which is closer to the package recommendations, which is 2.5-3.25 cups/day?

Thank you!
Bill Santschi

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Re: Update on Lucy and recommendation needed

Post by Tuckaboo Pam » 05 Jan 2022, 19:35

Hi!

This is all wonderful news! Is she getting fat? Tucker joined the Chunky Monkey Club for awhile, and that's when I cut back on his portion. So, it's your call, whether she needs to gain more weight, or is she perfect?

Tucker eats twice a day, and he does eat a bit more than what the package recommends, because if I don't overfeed him a little, he starts eating poop again. His weight is stable.

Like most everything concerning EPI, it is always a little bit of trial and a little bit of error, but these problems are so much better than what we were dealing with before!

---Pam & Tucker
Tucker is a shepherd/lab mix; he has tested positive on the ScheBo test for EPI, as well as the fasting TLI. Results--- TLI 1.3, Folate 9.7, Cobalamin 666, Lipase 38. Currently taking Diane's Enzymes 4 teaspoons/day, Wonderlabs B12 one capsule per day, two capsules slippery elm/evening, 1 Proviable capsule/day, and Tylan 1/32 teaspoon/ morning (to hold SID at bay). Sport Dog Elite, herding dogs 4 cups/day. No more poop eating, has gone from 60 to 80 pounds, and he is a happy member of the family, though a bit of a stinker, if you ask the other dogs. Tucker is my boyfriend, and my husband is OK with that.

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Re: Update on Lucy and recommendation needed

Post by jilbert57 » 05 Jan 2022, 20:54

Congratulations for getting your pup well.

If everything is going smoothly personally I would not make a change. Or if too heavy I would lower the amount of food but still spread it out over 3 meals.

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Re: Update on Lucy and recommendation needed

Post by Olesia711 » 05 Jan 2022, 23:58

Some (or rather many!) EPI dogs tend to need a wee bit more food than what is listed on the packages... BUT... others don't.
If you want to "try" cutting back on some food only reduce a small % of 1 of the daily meals... and see how it goes.
Or.. leave things as they are since all is going well :)
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Update on Lucy and recommendation needed

Post by Jean » 06 Jan 2022, 06:45

I would reduce very slowly , cutting enzymes never worked for us

Kara had two meals a day, and an evening meal of Scrambled egg and mashed potato. all enzymed the evening meal wasnt big at all it just keeps them going through the night

if she is used to three meals then maybe just cut back slightly on the portion size, her body will be used to that regime, and probably need it
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My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


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Re: Update on Lucy and recommendation needed

Post by RosietheRedLab » 06 Jan 2022, 14:14

We cut Rosie down from 4 cups (1 cup/4x day) down to 3 cups per day once she was up to her target weight. However, she slowly started losing weight again. Now we feed her 3 or 4 cups per day depending on our work schedules, and she seems to be back to maintaining her goal weight. I guess this just reinforces what everyone has said about trial and error!
Diagnosed August 2021: TLI <1.0, Cobalamin 329, Folate 16

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Re: Update on Lucy and recommendation needed

Post by Olesia711 » 06 Jan 2022, 20:01

Yep.... effectively managing EPI is indeed all about Trial and Error...... best to keep a journal! :D
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Update on Lucy and recommendation needed

Post by wsantschi » 09 Jan 2022, 10:55

Thank you all for your thoughts. We've cut her her back by a 1/4 cup per meal...still sticking to 3 meals/day. She's doing very well.

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Re: Update on Lucy and recommendation needed

Post by Olesia711 » 09 Jan 2022, 12:33

keep an eye on her weekly weight going forward to assess whether this is enough or still too much food.... and please keep us posted. You are doing a great job!
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Update on Lucy and recommendation needed

Post by wsantschi » 12 Jan 2022, 17:10

Thanks so much, Olesia! We're having a good run at the moment...fingers/paws crossed!!

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