Newly diagnosed Pug

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Re: Newly diagnosed Pug

Post by Bruinwar » 15 Jan 2019, 07:33

Hi Madelan & everyone,

Sorry for the delay. We are dealing with another chronically ill furry roommate, one of our cats.

Shadow has improved markedly. The weird behaviors have mostly subsided & her poo is always solid. Kind of a mix of yellow & the original (pre-EPI) brown. We are getting into the routine of wetting the enzymes & food for 20 mins before feeding her. My wife actually takes Shadow's breakfast with enzymes upstairs before bed, rises early to wet it, then goes back to bed for 20-30 mins daily. Shadow seems to have become used to the enzymes & no longer looks like she has red lipstick on. We abandoned the capsule idea completely. Shes gained back some weight & is looking quite good!

We still need to follow up with a vet. Liver enzymes, SID, B12, etc.... Is the yellow in her poo a sign of continued SID?

Thanks again for everyone's help!

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Re: Newly diagnosed Pug

Post by jilbert57 » 15 Jan 2019, 10:16

Good morning Joe. What a great update. I am so glad to hear the mouth sores are gone. I would say that the poop should continue to be less yellow the further into the 45 day treatment for SID you get. Might need to evaluate at the end if not brown. I hope the kitty is ok.
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Re: Newly diagnosed Pug

Post by Madelon » 19 Jan 2019, 11:03

Glad to hear you're getting into the EPI routine. Yes the yellow poop and the way you described it indicates something is still off - could be the B12 if you're not supplementing or could be SID. Let us know how things go with the next vet visit
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Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Re: Newly diagnosed Pug

Post by Kodis Mom » 19 Jan 2019, 11:12

It's always good for the soul when the weight starts coming on ! Keep up the good work!
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Re: Newly diagnosed Pug

Post by Olesia711 » 21 Jan 2019, 15:29

great update..... sounds like everything is moving in the right direction.

I'm a little late with this next piece of info... but i think you mentioned earlier that her liver enzymes were through the roof (in the beginning)??? If yes, i suspect it was her ALT liver enzymes and that is pretty much a given with many of these EPI dogs... elevated ALT liver enzymes is typical simply because of the SID. YOu will see ALT liver enzymes elevated when there is an "infection" and we see this when SID (small intestinal dysbiosis)is out of control at the moment. Once the EPI dog gets the right balance of the EPI protocol in place (and this often means antibiotics to help get SID in check) then the ALT liver enzymes will flutter back down to a good/and or normal range. :)
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Re: Newly diagnosed Pug

Post by Barb » 21 Jan 2019, 19:55

What a great update! It sounds like things are moving in the right direction. I don't know if you've had a chance to talk with your vet about the B12, but we found that once we got Kolby's B12 level up, everything else fell into place. His appetite increased and he began to gain weight. It is so easy now with the Wonderlabs pills(Pet Factor or Trinfac B)with intrinsic factor.

Keep the good news coming.


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