Using B12 end enzymes

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Asim
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Using B12 end enzymes

Post by Asim » 02 Jan 2019, 23:06

Dear friends

It is all started 8 months ago with a bloody dieria. I was in vet office several times. Finally I have been told she has pancreatitis and there is no solution. Refused to give up I took the matter into my hand . She was 7 pounds and now all skin and bone little over 4 pounds.
I start using enzyme (Pantenex)last 3 weeks. No wight gain observed . I have to warm up the meal otherwise she is not interested ( using hills digestive care ID low fat) if I wait 10 minutes ( incubation) she won’t eat. Not even get close to it. Little bit warming and mixing makes the trick and she eats the whole thing. I use 1/4 tsp enzymes.

Now I got the wonder lab B12 vitamin. This is My last hope. My question is ; can I mix the B12 with her food after warm up. Dosage is apperantly 1 capsule for the dogs wight less than 50 pounds. Since my girl only weights 4 pounds is this is right dosage or should I gave the half

Many thanks

Asim

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Jean
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Re: Using B12 end enzymes

Post by Jean » 03 Jan 2019, 04:04

welcome from us in UK

Can I ask what test was taken to have the diagnosis of pancreatitis

bit cavalier of the vet to just say no solution

as far as B12 is concerned, you can put it into her food, and any she does not need she will pee out

let us know

Jean
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We use Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


Jeanx

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Re: Using B12 end enzymes

Post by jilbert57 » 03 Jan 2019, 13:38

Hi Asim, with pancreatitis enzymes are constantly being released by the pancreas. You can try putting the Panzym powder in capsules right before you feed. This worked great with Mickey. Was your dog given a Pli or SnapPli in office for diagnosis? Did the vet say it was acute? Just as a side, pancreatitis in some cases will resolve itself(maybe that is what your vet meant by no solution) but if it turns into chronic pancreatitis you can manage it. Email me if you want help off forum☺
jill.epi4dogs@gmail.com.
PS the I/D is a good food for the pancreatitis.
My name is Jill and I live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. I have two dogs: Kiya is an aussie/blue heeler and is 13, TJ is a 4 year old Jack Russell. They keep me on my toes.
Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.

Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.
6/1999 - 8/2014

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Madelon
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Re: Using B12 end enzymes

Post by Madelon » 03 Jan 2019, 20:40

Hi and welcome to our EPI family. I'm so sorry you are going through so much. You are in good hands with Jill as she is our pancreatitis expert. Saying prayers for you and your little one.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Re: Using B12 end enzymes

Post by Olesia711 » 03 Jan 2019, 23:17

Hi Asim,

Regarding your question about the Wonderlabs B12. If you little dog is only 4 lbs..... pleas open the B12 capsule, pour the B12 powder onto a piece of paper..... form a little rectangle shape with the loose B12 powder...... divide in 4 sections and just give 1 section a day to your little dog.

And yes.... you can mix this B12 powder right in the food.... that is what i do... i just toss it in just before i serve the food.... no need to incubate the B12, but if you do, that is okay too.

Hope this helps and please keep us posted!
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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