Sassy says HI and Thank You!!!

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Re: Sassy says HI and Thank You!!!

Post by Madelon » 10 May 2019, 23:29

GREAT UPDATE!!! Love reading these success stories. Keep up the good work.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Post by Riley's Mom » 11 May 2019, 08:18

Whoop Whoop! Glad things are going so well.
It's hard to get a dog that isn't food driven to eat sometimes. My EPI girl is not food driven at all....so frustrating. If nothing else is wrong with your boy, maybe he just doesn't need as much food. My Riley does not eat breakfast. Won't touch it anymore.
Elisabeth

Riley is a 10 year old Labradoodle. She was diagnosed with EPI in 2014.
She currently eats Taste of the Wild, I cup in the morning, 2 cups in the evening, each meal with 1 Wonderlabs B12 sprinkled over her dinner. Enzymes are EnzymeDiane, 1 tsp per cup of food, mixed in home made bone broth. No other supplements or meds at this time.
Riley currently weighs about 44 pounds, which is pretty heavy for her.

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Re: Sassy says HI and Thank You!!!

Post by RichardB » 11 May 2019, 11:52

Madam President!!! If it wasn't for you and all the others on this site I'd hate to guess where we'd be right now. You all are life savers in my book!!! Thank YOU!!!

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Post by Kodis Mom » 11 May 2019, 14:57

Great news !!! I feel the same way about this site. It wasn't around for my first EPI girl, and I have learned so much more
Kodi
B. 8/19/2010 Diagnosed at 11 months.
Kodi is now on Natures Logic turkey and/or pork kibble, 2 cups with 2 teaspoons of enzymes, 1/8 teaspoon of ground coriander, 1/16 teaspoon of cinnamon and ground fennel seed (for tummy upsets) twice a day, plus one one B12 capsule from Wonderlabs. She has been very stable and on occasion needs a dose ofTylan.
She is our second GSD with EPI. It was not so scary this time ! And thank goodness for epi4dogs.com !

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Post by Barb » 14 May 2019, 17:16

Wonderful update! Glad things are going well. Keep up the good work.

Barb

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Post by Olesia711 » 15 May 2019, 17:07

Hi Richard.... #2 on the poop chart is the best possible poo..... a #2 to #3 is good, IMHO, good enough... BUT.... if you want to try for all the time #2..... in my experience when the poos lean towards #3.... it usually means that although tolerable, the current diet is not optimal for this particular dog. Also.....when poos are a little larger in volume then what you think they should be... it often is that the fiber or carb content is a touch too much in this specific brand of food.... or there is an ingredient or too much of a certain ingredient in this particular diet/brand of food.

I used to constantly switch around my EPi dog's food (i personally believe in variety) and whenever i happened upon a food that was too much in fiber content, i found that switching to another food with even just 0.5% less fiber content helped. (FYI fiber content comes from the not only the recognizable fiber ingredients in the food but also from the carb ingredients in the food) .
At other times, i found it was certain ingredients or too much of certain ingredients in a particular brand of food that triggered #3 or larger volume food..... in our case (and in many EPI dog's cases) too many pea ingredients will cause this...........

Long story short.... if you want, start keeping records of ALL the ingredients (and where on the list they fall/prevalence) and when you change foods... note the difference or ingredients and record the poo differences... and this is what will help you decide what foods/ingredients really agrees and what doesn't with Sassy.
Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Doing great 12+ years later! Once stable at 3+ months, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each cup of food, but as she aged- -had to go back 1 tsp enzymes per cup of food. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil / fish oil daily .... until she developed Diabetes and she now cannot tolerate higher fat foods. Currently feed an 80% home-made diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, 1/3 of a raw egg, fat free cottage cheese, fish oil+vitamins and bone meal with 20% Annamaet Lean & Grain Free kibble. This combo has regulated her Diabetes (takes Vetsulin) and EPI and is very well managed. In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. This is when we discovered that she also developed Diabetes & Low Thyroid. Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the generosity of folks on Epi4dogs! Izzy continues to wake up every day full of joy. I am not a vet. All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal experiences, observations, information gleaned from EPI researchers & pet parents alike, and EPI research. Please share with your vet everything we suggest.

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Re: Sassy says HI and Thank You!!!

Post by RichardB » 16 May 2019, 01:41

Thank You Olesia,
I'm trying to not change things, including food too much. I did over the past 3 days add a duck jerky treat after meals while she has the enzymes fresh in her. So far so good, nothing has changed so far. I'm also dealing with her brother too! He's the finicky eater, so what I give to her better be close to what I give to him or he doesn't want it. So trying to find a dog food that's good for both of them was my goal. They both were raised on Taste of the Wild puppy until recently. The price kept going up and now they reduced the size by 2 pounds but not the price. From past experience I know the better dog food produces smaller more healthy poops. About 40 years ago I switched from Purina to Science Diet and it was a big difference. He ate less and pooped less and smaller.
I still tend to see a difference in my two dogs poop, hers has a tendency to be larger and more than his. Is this a problem? Maybe not. She appears to be very healthy now. I'll take her in for blood work again at about the 3 month point to see how that looks. In the mean time it feels good to be able to give her a treat again, but I'll watch for any changes. Up until she got sick we had a sit, down, stay routine we did everyday for that treat. I'm sure she missed that more than anything else.

Thanks again for all of your inputs,
Richard and Sassy

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Re: Sassy says HI and Thank You!!!

Post by Riley's Mom » 17 May 2019, 08:00

Richard,
When you go back for bloodwork, what are you having tested? B12 is a good one to repeat, but don't pay for another TLI. There isn't a reason to repeat that unless the numbers were borderline at first testing and you are tracking to see if the trend is going down. Once confirmed EPI, no reason to retest TLI.
Elisabeth

Riley is a 10 year old Labradoodle. She was diagnosed with EPI in 2014.
She currently eats Taste of the Wild, I cup in the morning, 2 cups in the evening, each meal with 1 Wonderlabs B12 sprinkled over her dinner. Enzymes are EnzymeDiane, 1 tsp per cup of food, mixed in home made bone broth. No other supplements or meds at this time.
Riley currently weighs about 44 pounds, which is pretty heavy for her.

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Re: Sassy says HI and Thank You!!!

Post by RichardB » 17 May 2019, 22:59

Good Point Elisabeth,
I don't know. Just thought I needed to get her tested again. B12 would be a good excuse I guess.
Was so proud of my fur-babies this morning!!! Let them out and they started barking at something. We have a family of possums that made their home on my patio cover in the small space where it goes under my rain gutters. They've caught a baby one about 3 times in the past couple weeks, about the size of a hamster. Each time I was able to stop them before they hurt it. Each time the little sucker played dead but miraculously came back to life after a few minutes and waddled away. Well this morning they found Momma with 3 babies, that hamster size riding her back, and had her cornered. I'm so proud that they didn't hurt her and mostly because they left her alone when I called them off. Hope she moves them somewhere else soon. I really don't want resident possums in my back yard and the dogs don't like them either.

All in a days work!!!

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Post by Riley's Mom » 18 May 2019, 17:25

Yes, some have B12 retested to see if what they are using to supplement is working. I looked back to see Sassy's TLI result, and she is definitely EPI, so don't re do the TLI test. Too expensive and unnecessary, once confirmed it won't change.
Elisabeth

Riley is a 10 year old Labradoodle. She was diagnosed with EPI in 2014.
She currently eats Taste of the Wild, I cup in the morning, 2 cups in the evening, each meal with 1 Wonderlabs B12 sprinkled over her dinner. Enzymes are EnzymeDiane, 1 tsp per cup of food, mixed in home made bone broth. No other supplements or meds at this time.
Riley currently weighs about 44 pounds, which is pretty heavy for her.

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