New to epi and all that jazz

Epi4Dogs Foundation Inc.’s mission is the advancement of science and education relating to EPI (Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency), yielding useful insights and positive outcomes in better managing EPI in dogs and cats. Our goals are to support and/or collaborate with veterinary EPI research and researchers, and to promote EPI awareness by educating the general public, pet owners, pet organizations, rescue and shelter organizations, veterinary schools and veterinarians.
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Gwennyloo

New to epi and all that jazz

Post by Gwennyloo » 02 Apr 2019, 20:52

:shock:
My dog is now 7 and has epi
I was given Putin’s probiotic packages and Royal xanaine high protein gasteritis dog food ( wet) and I had a little dry too .
She is eating her own poop
Now and we can’t catch her fast enough to stop. She is starving and has lost half her body weight and i don’t know what else to try.
Goat milk??!

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Madelon
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Re: New to epi and all that jazz

Post by Madelon » 02 Apr 2019, 21:09

Hi and welcome to our EPI family. Can you give us a bit more information? It will help us be able to offer suggestions: What was the TLI score? What was the B12 score? What enzymes are you using and how are you preparing them?

There are four cornerstones to effectively managing EPI: Enzymes: (recommended starting dose is 1tsp per cub of kibble, mix in luke warm water and incubate 20-30min); B12: (EPI dogs need their B12 higher than normal 600+ - B12 supplementing is for life); Antibiotics: (if dealing with SID a 45 day course of Tylan is recommended); Food (grain free, 4% fiber or less and avoid peas and chicken; feed 150% of the food for the weight your dog should be but in smaller more frequent meals).

Keep a log of everything you give and everything that comes out (poop).
Madelon, owned by DOC. DOC dx EPI 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24. DOC taught me so much and together we battled and overcame EPI, food sensitivies, environmental allergies but we lost the cancer battle. DOC was dx with hemangiosarcoma 5/2022 and crossed the rainbow bridge July 24, 2022. He is and always will be the love of my life, my soulmate, my heart dog.

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Miss Maddie Moo
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Post by Miss Maddie Moo » 03 Apr 2019, 04:54

Hello
As Madelon has said we need more information i am concerned that there is no mention of enzymes in your post could you please clarify.

Ann
Maddie DX April 2011 along with low B12 she was feed with a low fibre food below 3% , fat was not restricted ( she wasnt good on pea based foods ) She initially had a course of B12 shots weekly over a period of 6 months and then we used the B12 pills from Chemeyes in the UK . We used Panzym and slowly had to increase the dose as she aged when she was first DX she was 23kg but she gained weight quickly and got back to 33 kg .
Maddie gained her angel wings in Jan 2018 at the age of 10 to a condition unrelated to EPI.
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Jean
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Pet name: Kara, lost 10th May 2019
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Re: New to epi and all that jazz

Post by Jean » 03 Apr 2019, 07:41

welcome from me too

please can we have more information, and when diagnosed
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


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Riley's Mom
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Re: New to epi and all that jazz

Post by Riley's Mom » 03 Apr 2019, 08:39

Welcome to the forum
Sorry you have to be here, but glad you found us.
When a dog is first diagnosed, their body is still in recovery mode, and they are certainly working at a nutritional and weight deficit.
We advise to feed 150% of what is recommended by your dog food for your dog's goal weight, not current weight, until she regains back to normal weight. Break these meals up into smaller meals over the day--ideally feeding 3-4x per day. No more than 2 cups at a time is best as bigger meals are harder for them to digest. Hopefully as she regains weight, the poop eating will stop. Some dogs stop that behavior pretty quickly, but some it becomes a learned bad habit and you have to work with them to break it down the road....
Please do give us some more information as it will help us advise you better.
Ask questions as you have them.
Elisabeth

Riley is a 10 year old Labradoodle. She was diagnosed with EPI in 2014.
She currently eats Taste of the Wild, I cup in the morning, 2 cups in the evening, each meal with 1 Wonderlabs B12 sprinkled over her dinner. Enzymes are EnzymeDiane, 1 tsp per cup of food, mixed in home made bone broth. No other supplements or meds at this time.
Riley currently weighs about 44 pounds, which is pretty heavy for her.

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jilbert57
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Re: New to epi and all that jazz

Post by jilbert57 » 03 Apr 2019, 13:00

Hi, you have been good advice so far and we need more information from you if you would provide it.

I see you are in Canada. Did your vet give you any guidelines after diagnosis?

Welcome to the forum.
My name is Jill and we live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. We currently have 2 Jack russells, TJ is 8 and Sadie is 2.

Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
He lived from 6/99 - 8/2014

Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.

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