Enzyme incubation

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Bpcooper14
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Enzyme incubation

Post by Bpcooper14 » 16 Jul 2018, 14:12

Long story short, Ace has decided he no longer wants his "mushy" meals. I tried searching the old forum and the guideline info and couldn't come up with a definitive answer. If I incubate the enzymes in a warm something (water, broth, yogurt, etc.) for 20 minutes, can I add that to the food and serve without the incubation taking place IN the food? THANKS!!!!
Hi all, I'm Bill. Ace was diagnosed with EPI on 5/31/18. In January, 2018 he was at the vet for routine check-up and weighed in at 34 lbs. In May after fighting with weeks of poor poo, he weighed 24.6 lbs. On Saturday July 28th, Ace was diagnosed as diabetic.
2 meals per day. He receives 6 units Vetsulin injections twice daily with each meal.
1 cup Victor Multi pro with 1/2 cup ground chicken breast, 1/4 cup sweet potato, 1/4 fat free cottage cheese. 1/2 tsp Pantenex enzymes, incubated 20-30 minutes.
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Post by Miss Maddie Moo » 16 Jul 2018, 15:04

There are various methods used by different people and one of them is the one you describe what we say is keep an eye on the poop.
Maddie DX April 2011 along with low B12 she was feed with a low fibre food below 3% , fat was not restricted ( she wasnt good on pea based foods ) She initially had a course of B12 shots weekly over a period of 6 months and then we used the B12 pills from Chemeyes in the UK . We used Panzym and slowly had to increase the dose as she aged when she was first DX she was 23kg but she gained weight quickly and got back to 33 kg .
Maddie gained her angel wings in Jan 2018 at the age of 10 to a condition unrelated to EPI.[/color]
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Re: Enzyme incubation

Post by Bpcooper14 » 16 Jul 2018, 15:13

Thanks! I thought i remembered seeing somewhere, someone mentioned that as their protocol. I figured since the forum isn't inundated with posts yet, I might as well go ahead and throw it up and ask. :D
Hi all, I'm Bill. Ace was diagnosed with EPI on 5/31/18. In January, 2018 he was at the vet for routine check-up and weighed in at 34 lbs. In May after fighting with weeks of poor poo, he weighed 24.6 lbs. On Saturday July 28th, Ace was diagnosed as diabetic.
2 meals per day. He receives 6 units Vetsulin injections twice daily with each meal.
1 cup Victor Multi pro with 1/2 cup ground chicken breast, 1/4 cup sweet potato, 1/4 fat free cottage cheese. 1/2 tsp Pantenex enzymes, incubated 20-30 minutes.
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Post by Riley's Mom » 16 Jul 2018, 16:28

It's me! My girl will not eat mushy food, so I incubate in home made bone broth and then add the kibble at the last minute, then stir and serve. Just watch the poop as each EPI dog responds so differently.
Elisabeth

Riley is a 10 year old Labradoodle. She was diagnosed with EPI in 2014.
She currently eats Taste of the Wild, I cup in the morning, 2 cups in the evening, each meal with 1 Wonderlabs B12 sprinkled over her dinner. Enzymes are EnzymeDiane, 1 tsp per cup of food, mixed in home made bone broth. No other supplements or meds at this time.
Riley currently weighs about 44 pounds, which is pretty heavy for her.
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Post by Kodis Mom » 16 Jul 2018, 17:23

Hi, My first EPI girl tired of her mushy food too. With her I did 1/2 her meal with the enzymes , let sit the 20 minutes she needed , then added the other half on top. It worked well for her. Its all what will work for your pup.
Kodi
B. 8/19/2010 Diagnosed at 11 months.
Kodi is now on Natures Logic turkey and/or pork kibble, 2 cups with 2 teaspoons of enzymes, 1/8 teaspoon of ground coriander, 1/16 teaspoon of cinnamon and ground fennel seed (for tummy upsets) twice a day, plus one one B12 capsule from Wonderlabs. She has been very stable and on occasion needs a dose ofTylan.
She is our second GSD with EPI. It was not so scary this time ! And thank goodness for epi4dogs.com ! 💝 Kodi passed on August 25, 2023 just after her 13th birthday.💝 Forever grateful to Olesia and epi4dogs. She live a long and adventurous life with EPI.
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Re: Enzyme incubation

Post by Miss Maddie Moo » 16 Jul 2018, 17:49

You can ask as many questions as you want wether the forum is busy or not..glad Liz and Dar confirmed that they had used this method.
Maddie DX April 2011 along with low B12 she was feed with a low fibre food below 3% , fat was not restricted ( she wasnt good on pea based foods ) She initially had a course of B12 shots weekly over a period of 6 months and then we used the B12 pills from Chemeyes in the UK . We used Panzym and slowly had to increase the dose as she aged when she was first DX she was 23kg but she gained weight quickly and got back to 33 kg .
Maddie gained her angel wings in Jan 2018 at the age of 10 to a condition unrelated to EPI.[/color]
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Re: Enzyme incubation

Post by Bpcooper14 » 16 Jul 2018, 22:05

I appreciate it. Just need to figure out what the snobby butt would prefer now. Haha
Hi all, I'm Bill. Ace was diagnosed with EPI on 5/31/18. In January, 2018 he was at the vet for routine check-up and weighed in at 34 lbs. In May after fighting with weeks of poor poo, he weighed 24.6 lbs. On Saturday July 28th, Ace was diagnosed as diabetic.
2 meals per day. He receives 6 units Vetsulin injections twice daily with each meal.
1 cup Victor Multi pro with 1/2 cup ground chicken breast, 1/4 cup sweet potato, 1/4 fat free cottage cheese. 1/2 tsp Pantenex enzymes, incubated 20-30 minutes.
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Re: Enzyme incubation

Post by Olesia711 » 17 Jul 2018, 14:43

Glad your question was answered.
The short answer with all our EPI dogs.... is when things are no longer working.... then the best thing is to just "try" some of the other recommendations--just keep an eye on the poop :)

Some folks just toss in a bunch of hard/crunchy kibble into the mushy food and that works... while others have to change the mushy food technique completely.............
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........
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Re: Enzyme incubation

Post by Bpcooper14 » 17 Jul 2018, 19:43

I think the problem was that I wasn't including ENOUGH liquid mixed in. Apparently Ace must like gravy with his kibble. It makes him think he's getting canned food which barely used to make it into the bowl before he wanted to go primal and devour it. They are worse than teenagers sometimes. haha
Hi all, I'm Bill. Ace was diagnosed with EPI on 5/31/18. In January, 2018 he was at the vet for routine check-up and weighed in at 34 lbs. In May after fighting with weeks of poor poo, he weighed 24.6 lbs. On Saturday July 28th, Ace was diagnosed as diabetic.
2 meals per day. He receives 6 units Vetsulin injections twice daily with each meal.
1 cup Victor Multi pro with 1/2 cup ground chicken breast, 1/4 cup sweet potato, 1/4 fat free cottage cheese. 1/2 tsp Pantenex enzymes, incubated 20-30 minutes.
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Re: Enzyme incubation

Post by Madelon » 17 Jul 2018, 19:52

I actually grind Doc's kibble and make it like a pastry dough consistency - he goes INSANE for it - I finally had to use a slow feeder but even with that he devours it within seconds. I do use warm water for my non-EPI girl to give her a gravy. When I was researching food, I spoke with one company - it was one of the smaller companies - and they said it's actually best to give water with the kibble - can't remember exactly why now but it made sense when he told me :lol:
Madelon, owned by DOC. DOC dx EPI 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24. DOC taught me so much and together we battled and overcame EPI, food sensitivies, environmental allergies but we lost the cancer battle. DOC was dx with hemangiosarcoma 5/2022 and crossed the rainbow bridge July 24, 2022. He is and always will be the love of my life, my soulmate, my heart dog.
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