Dog Breath

Epi4Dogs Foundation Inc.’s mission is the advancement of science and education relating to EPI (Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency), yielding useful insights and positive outcomes in better managing EPI in dogs and cats. Our goals are to support and/or collaborate with veterinary EPI research and researchers, and to promote EPI awareness by educating the general public, pet owners, pet organizations, rescue and shelter organizations, veterinary schools and veterinarians.
Tuckaboo.
Member
Posts: 43
Country: United States
State: Florida
Pet name: Tucker

Re: Dog Breath

Post by Tuckaboo. » 20 Jul 2019, 09:42

Thank you so much. My internet was acting up earlier, so I didn't read your directions before I fed Tucker this morning. I added 1/2 teaspoon extra enzyme powder, which was the original dose a couple of months ago. I noticed that his poo right after eating, though small, was gold. Ugh. I probably gave too much, and I will refer to your advice at dinner time.

Tuckaboo.
Member
Posts: 43
Country: United States
State: Florida
Pet name: Tucker

Re: Dog Breath

Post by Tuckaboo. » 20 Jul 2019, 09:57

I jusy read an archived post, but before I go on, allow me to apologize for always being here, writing. I have newcomer's syndrome...So, I think I want to get the blood test for Tucker, after reading about a Saint Bernard who did better without the enzymes after taking them for a couple of months. I have no reason to believe the vet I am using is raising the price of the test to $440, since he has charged zero dollars for about two hours of brain storming with me, but I would love to know something. I have read about Texas A & M being the place the test is done, and I wonder if there is a different option? Thank You!---Pam

User avatar
Madelon
President
Posts: 543
Location: Nashville, TN
Country: United States
State: Tennessee
Pet name: Doc

Re: Dog Breath

Post by Madelon » 20 Jul 2019, 10:33

Hi Pam - no apologies for posting/writing/asking questions - we've all been where you are and we all asked lots and lots of questions and that's what this Forum is for.

As for the test, it's funny you ask where to send it to as I just put a FaceBook post on our FaceBook page (Epi4Dogs Foundation) regarding this topic. There are only 3 labs that test for EPI: Texas A&M, Antech and Idexx. Be sure your dog is fasted for 12-15hrs and that the blood is drawn on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday - that way it is not sitting around over the weekend without being properly stored. Also, make sure your vet is testing B12 and Folate at the same time.

As for the poop - this morning's poop is likely NOT from the last enzymed meal you gave. A dog's transition time can be anywhere from 12-72hrs. We suggest cutting up some carrot and putting in the dog's food - they won't digest the carrot - so when you see the carrot in the poop you know what meal it was from and thus your dog's transition time. Don't stop looking for the carrot after you first see it. My boy's transition time is 24-48 hrs. Make a note of the date/time you put carrot in the meal and the dates/times of seeing carrot in the poop.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

User avatar
Jean
Staff
Posts: 565
Location: South Liverpool
Country: United Kingdom - England
Pet name: Kara
My name: Jean

Re: Dog Breath

Post by Jean » 20 Jul 2019, 13:19

the cTLI test is the only definitive test, and the results are still valid whilst taking enzymed food, the reason being, is that the enzymes given, only digest the meal they are given with, they then become useless, and are absorbed

So its 12 hours food fasted, and ask for cobalamin and folate to be tested too, and please tell us the results

the cost is disgraceful

we paid £250.00 in August 2010, no idea what the exchange rate was then, but needs must, I remember my Husband coming home and throwing his bank card on the table having taken her, and paid, saying boody hell ! but I knew she had it, and she did, I would have remortgaged the house for her, and I am sure some of us would say the same

we lost her in May , and she was stable with EPI to the end, so unrelated

so you now have a map for your journey, and a star to steer you by

ask away.........

Jeanx
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We use Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules


Jeanx

Tuckaboo.
Member
Posts: 43
Country: United States
State: Florida
Pet name: Tucker

Re: Dog Breath

Post by Tuckaboo. » 20 Jul 2019, 14:29

Thank you, Jean & Barb---Pam

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Jean, Loz0101 and 34 guests