Only Just begun our EPI path
Only Just begun our EPI path
Hi, my name is Paula and Odis our 5 1/2 yo GSD is believed to have EPI, blood will be drawn tomorrow.
The vet is currently having us give him 500 mg Metronidazole and 1 capsule Proviable-DC daily.
I am giving him his regular wet grain-free kibbles with 1/2 can of Tripett's green tripe after trying cooked ground beef and
turkey with rice or baked russet potato. Since I have boxed beef stock I am adding this
to the kibbles since he had always had dried kibbles. The some of the rice was being passed in the stools. He normally ate
twice a day, I have added a few more small meals since he had lost 16# since Memorial Day.
I need guidance as I start this path.
Thank you,
Paula Hudson
The vet is currently having us give him 500 mg Metronidazole and 1 capsule Proviable-DC daily.
I am giving him his regular wet grain-free kibbles with 1/2 can of Tripett's green tripe after trying cooked ground beef and
turkey with rice or baked russet potato. Since I have boxed beef stock I am adding this
to the kibbles since he had always had dried kibbles. The some of the rice was being passed in the stools. He normally ate
twice a day, I have added a few more small meals since he had lost 16# since Memorial Day.
I need guidance as I start this path.
Thank you,
Paula Hudson
My name is Paula and I live in the panhandle of Florida. I have one dog: Odis a 5 1/2 yrs GS, he is our 5th GS in 45 yrs. Odis started having EPI symptons 4 weeks ago and we are treating him as if he has EPI while blood results come in.
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Re: Only Just begun our EPI path
hi Paula
as soon as you have the results we can help
so welcome, and you now have a map for your journey
Jean
as soon as you have the results we can help
so welcome, and you now have a map for your journey
Jean
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
Re: Only Just begun our EPI path
Hi Paula, just wanted to welcome you to the forum.
Jill
Jill
My name is Jill and we live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. We currently have 2 Jack russells, TJ is 8 and Sadie is 2.
Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
He lived from 6/99 - 8/2014
Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.
Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
He lived from 6/99 - 8/2014
Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.
Re: Only Just begun our EPI path
I know that we need a B12 level from the blood work, anything else?
Anything I should ask the vet till the results come back?
Thank you,
Anything I should ask the vet till the results come back?
Thank you,
My name is Paula and I live in the panhandle of Florida. I have one dog: Odis a 5 1/2 yrs GS, he is our 5th GS in 45 yrs. Odis started having EPI symptons 4 weeks ago and we are treating him as if he has EPI while blood results come in.
- Jean
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- Country: United Kingdom - England
- Pet name: Kara, lost 10th May 2019
- My name: Jean
Re: Only Just begun our EPI path
the blood work for the b12 should come along with the cTLI test results
my only thoughts here is that you are feeding rice, rice often does not go well with either gastric, or EPI , the baked potato is fine
there isnt anything you can do till the results
Jean
my only thoughts here is that you are feeding rice, rice often does not go well with either gastric, or EPI , the baked potato is fine
there isnt anything you can do till the results
Jean
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
Re: Only Just begun our EPI path
Dear Paula,
Let us know when you get the results and what the numbers are. I assume you fasted your pup for 12 hours. We'll be here to help with any questions you have.
Barb
Let us know when you get the results and what the numbers are. I assume you fasted your pup for 12 hours. We'll be here to help with any questions you have.
Barb
Re: Only Just begun our EPI path
Our numbers are in.
Well, first let me say that my vets are GREAT! They say we caught it unusually early.
B12 173
Folate 10.7
TLI 1.1
We are back to kibbles with 2t Viokase-V on each meal, 500 Metronidazole daily, 1 Proviable daily, 2 WonderLabs B12 daily and 2 B12 injections a week for the next 2 weeks, then 1 a week for 3 weeks and then hopefully once a month. They would love him to eat plain greek yogurt daily, good thing he loves yogurt. I also split a can of tripe between the 2 main feedings.
Because of your discussions and information I was able to go into the consult with some knowledge. Thank you
Well, first let me say that my vets are GREAT! They say we caught it unusually early.
B12 173
Folate 10.7
TLI 1.1
We are back to kibbles with 2t Viokase-V on each meal, 500 Metronidazole daily, 1 Proviable daily, 2 WonderLabs B12 daily and 2 B12 injections a week for the next 2 weeks, then 1 a week for 3 weeks and then hopefully once a month. They would love him to eat plain greek yogurt daily, good thing he loves yogurt. I also split a can of tripe between the 2 main feedings.
Because of your discussions and information I was able to go into the consult with some knowledge. Thank you
My name is Paula and I live in the panhandle of Florida. I have one dog: Odis a 5 1/2 yrs GS, he is our 5th GS in 45 yrs. Odis started having EPI symptons 4 weeks ago and we are treating him as if he has EPI while blood results come in.
- Jean
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- Location: South Liverpool
- Country: United Kingdom - England
- Pet name: Kara, lost 10th May 2019
- My name: Jean
Re: Only Just begun our EPI path
ok
the b12 is horribly low
the protocol used to be weekly injections for between 6-12 weeks, we had them for 12, however you are supplementing with the Wonderlabs capsules
the folate is within parataters
http://www.cvm.tamu.edu/gilab/service/assays/b12folate
the rule of thumb here, is one teaspoon powdered enzyme per cup of food (kibble) incubated for 20-30 minutes with luke warm water
if there has been significant weight loss give 150% of the recommended on the bag of food, and if you can, feed several meals over the day all enzymed
As costs here are often discussed, look at Enzyme Diane
https://enzymediane.com/
most of our US members use them
the yogurt must be enzymed, or added to food , my girl loved it, eaten just after her meal
so which kibble are you using
and keep a journal/diary
https://epi4dogs.com/epi-log/
Metronidazole is a drug not to be used at length, Tylan is much safer, and used for Small Intestinal Dysbiosis
https://epi4dogs.com/sidsibo-in-brief/
this must be kept in check as it depletes the b12
have a read of this
https://epi4dogs.com/epi-quick-guide-usa/
you now have a map for your journey
Please ask anything
Jean
the b12 is horribly low
the protocol used to be weekly injections for between 6-12 weeks, we had them for 12, however you are supplementing with the Wonderlabs capsules
the folate is within parataters
http://www.cvm.tamu.edu/gilab/service/assays/b12folate
the rule of thumb here, is one teaspoon powdered enzyme per cup of food (kibble) incubated for 20-30 minutes with luke warm water
if there has been significant weight loss give 150% of the recommended on the bag of food, and if you can, feed several meals over the day all enzymed
As costs here are often discussed, look at Enzyme Diane
https://enzymediane.com/
most of our US members use them
the yogurt must be enzymed, or added to food , my girl loved it, eaten just after her meal
so which kibble are you using
and keep a journal/diary
https://epi4dogs.com/epi-log/
Metronidazole is a drug not to be used at length, Tylan is much safer, and used for Small Intestinal Dysbiosis
https://epi4dogs.com/sidsibo-in-brief/
this must be kept in check as it depletes the b12
have a read of this
https://epi4dogs.com/epi-quick-guide-usa/
you now have a map for your journey
Please ask anything
Jean
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
Re: Only Just begun our EPI path
Thank you
My name is Paula and I live in the panhandle of Florida. I have one dog: Odis a 5 1/2 yrs GS, he is our 5th GS in 45 yrs. Odis started having EPI symptons 4 weeks ago and we are treating him as if he has EPI while blood results come in.
- Jean
- Forum Director
- Posts: 1707
- Location: South Liverpool
- Country: United Kingdom - England
- Pet name: Kara, lost 10th May 2019
- My name: Jean
Re: Only Just begun our EPI path
please take care with the hurricane
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
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