New EPI dog
- Jean
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- My name: Jean
Re: New EPI dog
hi there
if they get too much b12 for them they just pee it out so dont worry, its very useful we started Kara on 2 per day as her b12 was so low
to answer your question about cTLI, This might help you
https://vetmed.tamu.edu/gilab/service/assays/tli/
your result is positive for EPI , and is for life
I have had both an EPI cat and an EPI dog, and after finding the balance of the four corner stones Madelon talked about Kara was just like any other dog, we started being protective of her but that didnt last !
what sort of weight is she ?
J
if they get too much b12 for them they just pee it out so dont worry, its very useful we started Kara on 2 per day as her b12 was so low
to answer your question about cTLI, This might help you
https://vetmed.tamu.edu/gilab/service/assays/tli/
your result is positive for EPI , and is for life
I have had both an EPI cat and an EPI dog, and after finding the balance of the four corner stones Madelon talked about Kara was just like any other dog, we started being protective of her but that didnt last !
what sort of weight is she ?
J
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
- Madelon
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Re: New EPI dog
Hi! Yes that's a bit too much B12 - just back it down now. As for the food - you don't need prescription food unless there's another underlying condition. I think the food is definitely the culprit here. I would definitely go back to the taste of the wild - a lot of EPI dogs have done well on that food - just double check the label to make sure it falls within the fiber recommendations. Switch the food slowly over at least 7 days. I would give the food switch a try before the Tylan.
Let us know how it goes.
Let us know how it goes.
Madelon, owned by DOC. DOC dx EPI 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24. DOC taught me so much and together we battled and overcame EPI, food sensitivies, environmental allergies but we lost the cancer battle. DOC was dx with hemangiosarcoma 5/2022 and crossed the rainbow bridge July 24, 2022. He is and always will be the love of my life, my soulmate, my heart dog.
Re: New EPI dog
We had the most difficulty finding the right food, but once we did, the poos improved greatly. So I agree with Madelon, that maybe this is the best place to start. If you are keeping a journal/log, record everything you give her on a daily basis, the amounts and the resulting poos.
Let us know how she does.
Barb
Let us know how she does.
Barb
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- Pet name: Harper
- My name: Alexis
Tylan causing diarrhea
Hey guys,
Harper has been doing better since her diagnosis a little over a month ago, poop hasn’t been perfect but better and she’s gained a few pounds. We were finally able to get some Tylosin and started her on it last Thursday (just 6 days ago) at first her stools improved but over the last couple of days she’s had diarrhea; nothing else has changed. Has anyone else had this issue?
Thanks!
Harper has been doing better since her diagnosis a little over a month ago, poop hasn’t been perfect but better and she’s gained a few pounds. We were finally able to get some Tylosin and started her on it last Thursday (just 6 days ago) at first her stools improved but over the last couple of days she’s had diarrhea; nothing else has changed. Has anyone else had this issue?
Thanks!
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Re: New EPI dog
I googled "Can Tylan cause diarrhea?" and got this. It's an answer to the question "Is Tylan used to cure diarrhea?"
"Tylan may also decrease the symptoms by affecting the immune system in the intestine. Side effects that usually are not serious include: Loose stools, mild diarrhea, and stomach upset."
I hadn't heard this, but I think maybe you should cut back on the dose, or maybe someone else will suggest giving it more time. What a mixed message, though.
Pam
"Tylan may also decrease the symptoms by affecting the immune system in the intestine. Side effects that usually are not serious include: Loose stools, mild diarrhea, and stomach upset."
I hadn't heard this, but I think maybe you should cut back on the dose, or maybe someone else will suggest giving it more time. What a mixed message, though.
Pam
Tucker was a shepherd mix--- TLI 1.3, Folate 9.7, Cobalamin 666, Lipase 38. Diane's Enzymes 4 t/day, B12 1 capsule/day, and Tylan 1/16 teaspoon/day. Taste of the Wild High Prairie, 4 c/day. 60 to 85 pounds! Tucker succumbed to hemangiosarcoma Nov. 2023. I will always, always miss my sweet big boy.
Now there's Nina. 5 year old GSD. TLI 1.0 B12 323. We are still tweaking her routine, and getting lots of help from the forum. She is klutzy and goofy, and we love her dearly, too.
Now there's Nina. 5 year old GSD. TLI 1.0 B12 323. We are still tweaking her routine, and getting lots of help from the forum. She is klutzy and goofy, and we love her dearly, too.
Re: New EPI dog
Hi, Alexis,
Can you tell us the dose of tylosin you are giving Harper?
Barb
Can you tell us the dose of tylosin you are giving Harper?
Barb
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Re: New EPI dog
Barb,
She weighs 39 pounds and I’ve been giving her 1/8 of a tsp 2x a day.
She weighs 39 pounds and I’ve been giving her 1/8 of a tsp 2x a day.
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Re: New EPI dog
That's the right dose. How has it been today? I just looked at the bag, and the fiber content is low, so that's good. Are your giving slippery elm, too?
Just know that you WILL get there, it just takes tweaking sometimes. Check back, more help will be on the way. Take care. The weight gain is a good sign!---Pam
Just know that you WILL get there, it just takes tweaking sometimes. Check back, more help will be on the way. Take care. The weight gain is a good sign!---Pam
Tucker was a shepherd mix--- TLI 1.3, Folate 9.7, Cobalamin 666, Lipase 38. Diane's Enzymes 4 t/day, B12 1 capsule/day, and Tylan 1/16 teaspoon/day. Taste of the Wild High Prairie, 4 c/day. 60 to 85 pounds! Tucker succumbed to hemangiosarcoma Nov. 2023. I will always, always miss my sweet big boy.
Now there's Nina. 5 year old GSD. TLI 1.0 B12 323. We are still tweaking her routine, and getting lots of help from the forum. She is klutzy and goofy, and we love her dearly, too.
Now there's Nina. 5 year old GSD. TLI 1.0 B12 323. We are still tweaking her routine, and getting lots of help from the forum. She is klutzy and goofy, and we love her dearly, too.
- Madelon
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Re: New EPI dog
Hi Alexis. Have you changed the food or are you still feeding the Hills chicken and rice? If so, it may be time to switch the food. Most EPI dogs can't handle rice and/or chicken. I doubt the Tylan is causing the diarrhea, although it's possible, my first suspicion is the food - especially since you were still dealing with SID, which is why you started the Tylan. You might try and look for a grain free food with 4% fiber or less and avoid/limit peas and legumes. You might have a look at Sport Dog Food Elite - several of us are using their food with good results.
Madelon, owned by DOC. DOC dx EPI 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24. DOC taught me so much and together we battled and overcame EPI, food sensitivies, environmental allergies but we lost the cancer battle. DOC was dx with hemangiosarcoma 5/2022 and crossed the rainbow bridge July 24, 2022. He is and always will be the love of my life, my soulmate, my heart dog.
Re: New EPI dog
Hi Alexis,
I’m sorry I didn’t respond to your dose of Tylosin information. My computer crashed and then I had a tooth extraction(when it rains it pours). Pam answered your question about the tylosin (thank you Pam) and I agree with Jill about the food being the possible culprit for the diarrhea.
Let us know how you do if you make a food change.
Barb
I’m sorry I didn’t respond to your dose of Tylosin information. My computer crashed and then I had a tooth extraction(when it rains it pours). Pam answered your question about the tylosin (thank you Pam) and I agree with Jill about the food being the possible culprit for the diarrhea.
Let us know how you do if you make a food change.
Barb
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