Prebiotic

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Floramac
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Prebiotic

Post by Floramac » 14 May 2019, 04:58

Can anyone recommend a prebiotic in the UK. I believe it is time to try this for Kenzie considering how many people recommend it.
Kenzie diagnosed Sept 2015. Fed 3 times a day on Millies Wolfheart, Panzym enzymes 1 tsp per 130grams food, 1/8 tsp tylan twice a day 1 b12 per day. Also on
1 previcox a day for arthritis in paw.
Latest TLI is 5.5 Previous readings have been TLI - 3.4 and 4.2.
March 2018 poo went downhill and started suffering with very itchy skin. Changed enzymes to 3/4 tsp and upped Tylan 1/4 tsp. Had blood tests for allergies, many identified including lamb which was in her main food ( Millies Wolfheart countryside). New food, pork based, tried but not great.

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Miss Maddie Moo
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Re: Prebiotic

Post by Miss Maddie Moo » 15 May 2019, 03:41

Most of us use Slippery elm but it doesn't suit all dogs but you need it in a powder form.
Also i have used this >
https://www.petdrugsonline.co.uk/protex ... gL-TfD_BwE
Maddie DX April 2011 along with low B12 she was feed with a low fibre food below 3% , fat was not restricted ( she wasnt good on pea based foods ) She initially had a course of B12 shots weekly over a period of 6 months and then we used the B12 pills from Chemeyes in the UK . We used Panzym and slowly had to increase the dose as she aged when she was first DX she was 23kg but she gained weight quickly and got back to 33 kg .
Maddie gained her angel wings in Jan 2018 at the age of 10 to a condition unrelated to EPI.
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Re: Prebiotic

Post by Floramac » 15 May 2019, 09:22

Thanks for the link. I did try Slippery elm but it did not agree with her.
Kenzie diagnosed Sept 2015. Fed 3 times a day on Millies Wolfheart, Panzym enzymes 1 tsp per 130grams food, 1/8 tsp tylan twice a day 1 b12 per day. Also on
1 previcox a day for arthritis in paw.
Latest TLI is 5.5 Previous readings have been TLI - 3.4 and 4.2.
March 2018 poo went downhill and started suffering with very itchy skin. Changed enzymes to 3/4 tsp and upped Tylan 1/4 tsp. Had blood tests for allergies, many identified including lamb which was in her main food ( Millies Wolfheart countryside). New food, pork based, tried but not great.

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Re: Prebiotic

Post by Olesia711 » 15 May 2019, 16:33

since the slippery elm did not work well for Kenzie... exactly what is the issue? SID? Loose stools? If yes....
... talk to your vet about other prebiotics that they would recommend .... or..... ask your vet about trying some "RX clay"
https://www.vetrxdirect.com/product/vie ... -cats-otc

If you cannot get this product in the UK... ask your vet if they could recommend something similar.
Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Doing great 12+ years later! Once stable at 3+ months, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each cup of food, but as she aged- -had to go back 1 tsp enzymes per cup of food. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil / fish oil daily .... until she developed Diabetes and she now cannot tolerate higher fat foods. Currently feed an 80% home-made diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, 1/3 of a raw egg, fat free cottage cheese, fish oil+vitamins and bone meal with 20% Annamaet Lean & Grain Free kibble. This combo has regulated her Diabetes (takes Vetsulin) and EPI and is very well managed. In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. This is when we discovered that she also developed Diabetes & Low Thyroid. Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the generosity of folks on Epi4dogs! Izzy continues to wake up every day full of joy. I am not a vet. All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal experiences, observations, information gleaned from EPI researchers & pet parents alike, and EPI research. Please share with your vet everything we suggest.

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Re: Prebiotic

Post by K.vitanova » 09 Jul 2019, 05:10

Hi! My Nora was diagnosed with EPI 1 year ago. We finally found the right balance with the enzymes... BUT.. I think that she now shows signs of SID/SIBO. We did a course with antibiotics and anti acids a month ago. Everything was fine until a few days ago when the symptoms reappeared. With anti acids she is better. I don’t want to give them all the time so I am thinking of trying slippery elm. I was wondering if the Nature’s way capsules can be used on dogs as they are available here. And one more thing - can they be given with the food and enzymes. Thanks a lot :)
https://www.iherb.com/pr/Nature-s-Way-S ... 74#details

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Post by Miss Maddie Moo » 09 Jul 2019, 07:36

Hello love the name Nora in respect of the slippery Elm we suggest that you use the powder rather than the capsules ..but i was wondering if you cant get the powder were you are are you able to open the capsules and use like a powder that may be an option.With SE you mix in with the food and the enzymes and some water i am not sure which enzyme you are using i used a powder form .Also can i ask which antibiotic you used and how long for we suggest Tylan for 45 days and then rather than come straight of it we taper the dose down gradually can i also ask is your dog on B12???
Maddie DX April 2011 along with low B12 she was feed with a low fibre food below 3% , fat was not restricted ( she wasnt good on pea based foods ) She initially had a course of B12 shots weekly over a period of 6 months and then we used the B12 pills from Chemeyes in the UK . We used Panzym and slowly had to increase the dose as she aged when she was first DX she was 23kg but she gained weight quickly and got back to 33 kg .
Maddie gained her angel wings in Jan 2018 at the age of 10 to a condition unrelated to EPI.
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Re: Prebiotic

Post by K.vitanova » 09 Jul 2019, 15:18

The enzymes we use are the Chemeyes powdered enzymes and she was feeling great until a few months ago when she had loss of appetite and was a bit lethargic. The vet ran some blood test (all normal) and echography (lots of gas in the stomach). She told us it was something bacterial and gave us anti acids and sulfametoxazol/trimethoprim. I think for 10 days of therapy. I give Nora B12 occasionally as her levels are normal, but just in case I give her a sublingual tablet from time to time. A few days ago she showed loss of appetite again and she wanted to come home from a walk early which is not typical for her. I gave her the same anti acids and the next day she was fine, today the situation is the same a she does not want to eat. Tylan is not available here :(

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Re: Prebiotic

Post by Jean » 10 Jul 2019, 06:21

is Oxtetracycline available
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We use Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules


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Re: Prebiotic

Post by Miss Maddie Moo » 10 Jul 2019, 15:24

Jean makes a good point about an alternative antibiotic, also can i add that the B12 i would suggest that you give these daily B12 can slip quickly and with SID/Sibo in play its role is very important.
Maddie DX April 2011 along with low B12 she was feed with a low fibre food below 3% , fat was not restricted ( she wasnt good on pea based foods ) She initially had a course of B12 shots weekly over a period of 6 months and then we used the B12 pills from Chemeyes in the UK . We used Panzym and slowly had to increase the dose as she aged when she was first DX she was 23kg but she gained weight quickly and got back to 33 kg .
Maddie gained her angel wings in Jan 2018 at the age of 10 to a condition unrelated to EPI.
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Re: Prebiotic

Post by kese » 13 Jul 2019, 04:11

Hi,
In addition to probiotics and slippery elm, we tried inulin (it's FOS and have lots of good effect) and it worked. Now I don't have to give probiotics and my dog's stool is good, so I'm very satisfied. I really recommend to try it out.

I read that article:
http://veterinarycalendar.dvm360.com/ia ... sored-iams
I'm Vivien and I have a spitz girl, named Mimosa. We are from Hungary.

She is 10 y.o., weighs 11,6 lbs and was diagnosed in January 2019, with a 2 ng/ml TLI level.

I feed her 2 times a day (mix of wet and dry food) and use Creon 10.000 capsules.

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