Poorly poohs

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Floramac
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Poorly poohs

Post by Floramac » 21 Nov 2019, 14:41

Kenzies poo has been inconsistent for the last 3 weeks. We initially thought it was due to stress from all the fireworks. Started to get worse 6 days ago with grumbly tummy etc. Upped the Tylan to 1/4 tsp twice a day. 6 days on it is now worse, 3 times this morning all the RUNS.
Should we try upping the enzymes?
Kenzie diagnosed Sept 2015. Fed 3 times a day on Millies Wolfheart, Panzym enzymes 1+ tsp per 120grams food, 1/8 tsp tylan twice a day, altenate 1/2 b12 per day. Also on 1 previcox a day for arthritis in paws and 1 Apoquel for allergies. Diagnosed with poor heart contractibility Sept 2020, on 1 Vetmedin twice a day. 2nd heart scan March 21 shows little deterioration so appear to be working.

Latest TLI was 5.5 Previous readings have been TLI - 3.4 and 4.2.

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Re: Poorly poohs

Post by Jean » 21 Nov 2019, 15:35

Do you want to talk about it

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any time tomorrow

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My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

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My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


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Re: Poorly poohs

Post by jilbert57 » 21 Nov 2019, 16:40

Do you happen to have any powdered slippery elm? You could try adding it in twice a day.
Has Kenzie been checked for parasites?

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My name is Jill and we live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. We currently have 2 Jack russells, TJ is 8 and Sadie is 2.

Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
He lived from 6/99 - 8/2014

Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.

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Re: Poorly poohs

Post by Patsy » 22 Nov 2019, 05:17

Maybe tylan isn’t effective bug, this bug, ask for oxytetracycline.
It could also be a bacteria from puddles with all the rain we’ve had, loads of animal/ bird poo.
What colour is the poo?
I don’t think extra enzymes will help, the gut spasms just blast everything through.
Springer spaniel Marti had Epi, PLE , MMM just to confuse me. She lived till 12yrs, chubby and happy despite eight years of epi.
Capsule enzymes suited her best. B12 supplements made her into a new dog!
After a cocker with PLN kidney disease, I now have two healthy rescues, a lively, suicidal , small ginger terrier, adopted with pneumonia, and gum disease needing nearly all his teeth out, and a fluffy grey toy poodle/terrier from Greece.

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Re: Poorly poohs

Post by Floramac » 22 Nov 2019, 09:46

Normal poo colour. Slightly better today, pick upable. No parasites. Have tried slippery elm previously, not good.
Kenzie diagnosed Sept 2015. Fed 3 times a day on Millies Wolfheart, Panzym enzymes 1+ tsp per 120grams food, 1/8 tsp tylan twice a day, altenate 1/2 b12 per day. Also on 1 previcox a day for arthritis in paws and 1 Apoquel for allergies. Diagnosed with poor heart contractibility Sept 2020, on 1 Vetmedin twice a day. 2nd heart scan March 21 shows little deterioration so appear to be working.

Latest TLI was 5.5 Previous readings have been TLI - 3.4 and 4.2.

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Re: Poorly poohs

Post by jilbert57 » 22 Nov 2019, 10:55

Thanks for the information. Maybe you will see a turnaround.

Jill
My name is Jill and we live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. We currently have 2 Jack russells, TJ is 8 and Sadie is 2.

Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
He lived from 6/99 - 8/2014

Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.

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Re: Poorly poohs

Post by Barb » 22 Nov 2019, 15:09

I agree with Patsy on trying another antibiotic. Whenever Kolby has had a bad setback like you are describing, we have gone from tylan to metronidazole (flagyl) and it turns it around.

Let us know how it goes. So distressing.

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Re: Poorly poohs

Post by Floramac » 23 Nov 2019, 14:32

So do we just ask the vet for another anti biotic and stop the Tylan?
Kenzie diagnosed Sept 2015. Fed 3 times a day on Millies Wolfheart, Panzym enzymes 1+ tsp per 120grams food, 1/8 tsp tylan twice a day, altenate 1/2 b12 per day. Also on 1 previcox a day for arthritis in paws and 1 Apoquel for allergies. Diagnosed with poor heart contractibility Sept 2020, on 1 Vetmedin twice a day. 2nd heart scan March 21 shows little deterioration so appear to be working.

Latest TLI was 5.5 Previous readings have been TLI - 3.4 and 4.2.

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Re: Poorly poohs

Post by D Sloan » 23 Nov 2019, 16:17

Stress can drop the B12 levels which would upset the digestive system and may open the door for all the upset. I used to give Sarge an extra B12 shot before stressful events and again after if needed.
Tylan is an antibiotic dosed per weight of the pet. If you were using it on a lower dose for keeping the gut bacteria under control it may be helpful to go back to the right dose.
Hopefully things are back to normal soon.

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Re: Poorly poohs

Post by Madelon » 23 Nov 2019, 22:07

Sorry things have gone south. Are you consistently giving B12? I agree with Barb, if you're on Tylan and things have gone south I would stop the Tylan and try Metro - if you don't see an improvement then it could be the food and you might need to try something different even if you've been on it for a while.
Madelon, owned by DOC. DOC dx EPI 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24. DOC taught me so much and together we battled and overcame EPI, food sensitivies, environmental allergies but we lost the cancer battle. DOC was dx with hemangiosarcoma 5/2022 and crossed the rainbow bridge July 24, 2022. He is and always will be the love of my life, my soulmate, my heart dog.

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