It’s so stressful
It’s so stressful
My boy has been on b12 and pantenex for about 2 years now. We really haven’t been successful, usually his score is a 6. I’m trying pro and prebiotic. Hopefully we can make process, it’s frustrating at this point. Anything else I could try, I’m out of ideas. Thanks
Re: It’s so stressful
Hi. Would you like to provide us with some information on your pup?
What was the result of the Tli test?
Was the B12 and folate tested?
What food is your pup on and how much a day?
How are you preparing the food with the enzymes?
What medications is your dog on?
4 things must come together before an EPI dog will thrive:
1. Enzymes
2. Diet. Usually grainfree with 4% or less fiber
3. Antibiotic
4. B12 shots
Here is the Quick guide for USA:
https://epi4dogs.com/epi-quick-guide-usa/
Jill
What was the result of the Tli test?
Was the B12 and folate tested?
What food is your pup on and how much a day?
How are you preparing the food with the enzymes?
What medications is your dog on?
4 things must come together before an EPI dog will thrive:
1. Enzymes
2. Diet. Usually grainfree with 4% or less fiber
3. Antibiotic
4. B12 shots
Here is the Quick guide for USA:
https://epi4dogs.com/epi-quick-guide-usa/
Jill
My name is Jill and we live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. We currently have 2 Jack russells, TJ is 8 and Sadie is 2.
Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
He lived from 6/99 - 8/2014
Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.
Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
He lived from 6/99 - 8/2014
Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.
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Re: It’s so stressful
I agree we need your journey so that we can give some advice
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
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Re: It’s so stressful
Hi BOnnie, Unfortunately, sometimes it is difficult to find the right balance of things to manage an EPI dog.... a little more or a little less of the 4 cornerstones of treating EPI:
AND THEN (and this is what i am wondering if it may be a possibility with why you are having difficulty) if the poos continue to be loose, no matter what you try, sometimes it is because your dog has a combo of EPI + IBD (or some sort of food sensitivity)... We do see this often in EPI dogs. SOOOOOOOOOoooooo... although i don't have any details with your situation (so i cannot tell if this is even the problem) .... if your dog continues to have loose stools.... AND
1. If you are giving B12 in case the B12 is low (B12)
2. If you have tried multiple low fiber content foods (something with less than 4% fiber content) (DIET)
3. if your has already tried Tylan antibiotic for 45 days/twice a day.... and if that didn't work, (for SID)
4. if your vet then proceeded to try Metronidazole for 30 days/twice a day...
5. if you have tried adding a prebiotic like SLippery Elm powder.....and if it is loose stools that are still persisting..... what you might want to try next is
6. a true Hydrolyzed food.... the one that seems to work well with these EPI dogs is Royal Canine "Ultamino"
Not sure if this is helpful but hope so!
- Enzymes
Diet
SID/SIBO
B12
AND THEN (and this is what i am wondering if it may be a possibility with why you are having difficulty) if the poos continue to be loose, no matter what you try, sometimes it is because your dog has a combo of EPI + IBD (or some sort of food sensitivity)... We do see this often in EPI dogs. SOOOOOOOOOoooooo... although i don't have any details with your situation (so i cannot tell if this is even the problem) .... if your dog continues to have loose stools.... AND
1. If you are giving B12 in case the B12 is low (B12)
2. If you have tried multiple low fiber content foods (something with less than 4% fiber content) (DIET)
3. if your has already tried Tylan antibiotic for 45 days/twice a day.... and if that didn't work, (for SID)
4. if your vet then proceeded to try Metronidazole for 30 days/twice a day...
5. if you have tried adding a prebiotic like SLippery Elm powder.....and if it is loose stools that are still persisting..... what you might want to try next is
6. a true Hydrolyzed food.... the one that seems to work well with these EPI dogs is Royal Canine "Ultamino"
Not sure if this is helpful but hope so!
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........
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Re: It’s so stressful
Hi Bonnie - Just wanted to check in and see how things are going. Hoping no news is good news
Madelon, owned by DOC. DOC dx EPI 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24. DOC taught me so much and together we battled and overcame EPI, food sensitivies, environmental allergies but we lost the cancer battle. DOC was dx with hemangiosarcoma 5/2022 and crossed the rainbow bridge July 24, 2022. He is and always will be the love of my life, my soulmate, my heart dog.
Re: It’s so stressful
I am wondering, too.
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Re: It’s so stressful
I will email, maybe she didnt click on the notify reply box
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of
My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day
Lowest weight 39 pounds
We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules
Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM
Jeanx
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