Epi4Dogs

again, they are all different

my Kara never lost energy

Kara started on a b12 injection every other day, from the vets, she was 14 months old, and weighed 39 pounds, and she was a female GSD so you can imagine, she was a bag of bones, we were able in time to reduce that, for life, to 1 injection per month, we supplemented b12 capsules 1 per day as well

she never had urine issues

we had to feed 5 times a day with enzymes as she was starving, the enzymes started to work within a few days, and we added Tylan into her life at the same
time, the poops became normalish over maybe 2-3 weeks, but we changed her enzyme which was cheaper and she turned a massive corner, and stabilised at 90 pounds untill we lost her May 2019 to DM

She took a while to gain weight and sometimes they do, their organs have had very restrictive nutrition, as has their brain, and the nutrients go there first

the whole regime of enzymes, b12, food, and Tylan if necessary work together, , we could tell when Karas b12 was low she became hysterical

I think its difficlt to say time , but it will come

To answer your question about frequent urination, Kolby had several instances of peeing in the house, which he never normally did. We reverted back to his puppy training days and took him out very often so he would always have an empty bladder. I would say this lasted a few weeks for him....maybe a month......but every dog is different.

When we switched Kolby to Pet Factor B12 pills from Wonderlabs it took several weeks until we noticed that he was eating better and and starting very slowly to put on weight. He remained a slow gainer, but it was steady. We were thrilled!

Barb

listening to the many stories on the forum.... my guess is that the "excessive" urination from introducing enzymes seem to last anywhere from a few weeks to approximately a month (on the average).... there are definitely cases that fall outside this range.... but if there had to be a range... i'd say this is the average range.

Regarding how quickly the B12 appears to work..... again, every dog is different... but the average is usually by 3 weeks, and often sooner. Again... there are those that fall outside this range.... but 3 weeks is a good general average.

Finally! Clyde's excessive drinking and peeing seem to be reducing. Also, he might be gaining a little weight, but I'm not sure yet. It's so hard to wait for treatments to show an effect on my fur baby. I'm impatient and want things fixed as soon as possible. LOL

Jane, your story is so heartwarming. I don't have any advice, but I just wanted you to know that I am following you, and I can't wait to hear that you can no longer see Clyde's ribs. It will happen!---Pam

Glad you got the test results and are following the EPI protocol since his TLI is so low. My boy had increased urination for about a month. As for the B12 - I can't really say how long it took because I waited two months to have it retested but he gained all of his weight back in 6 weeks and I know B12 was a key factor in that. Keep us posted.

WAHOO!!! So glad to hear that Clyde's excessing peeing is diminishing! And that he is started to look a little plumper I know it is hard to wait.... but it sure sounds like things are finally starting to improve. Good job!

It appears that I may finally be on the right track with Clyde. You can still see his ribs and spine, but they are nowhere near as prominent as they were and he appears to be gaining muscle mass. He was in pretty bad shape when I got him, so I guess it's not surprising that it is taking him a while to recover. After beginning to supplement his B12, it seems to be a slow but steady improvement.

Now for the bad news...I am 99% certain that Clyde had a seizure last night. I've seen a lot of seizures in people (long story), so one seizure doesn't get me too upset, although I am certainly concerned. Of course, I notified the vet's office today, but the vet isn't there today, so they will give him the message tomorrow. They probably won't do anything for a single seizure, but I sure hope Clyde doesn't have any more. The poor little guy doesn't need seizures to deal with on top of the EPI.

So glad to hear that sub-clincial-EPI-wise.... CLyde is doing much better and improving... even if slowly. Afterall it took his body a LONGGGGGGGggg time to slowly lose a lot of his pancreas function even if not fully EPI, and it does take the body time to recuperate.

Now about that seizure.... i am so so SO sorry to hear this. It just breaks your heart when these innocent souls struggle and overcome one health condition and then another one strikes.....

Seizures are not related to EPI... however, we do have a little section on idiopathic seizures https://epi4dogs.com/seizures/ ..... that might be helpful.. In short, feeding a diet with MCT seems to help with some seizure stricken dogs. (my translation of this is coconut oil!)
https://epi4dogs.com/wp-content/uploads ... izures.pdf

P.S. for some reason, when i tried uploading the 2 most recent research articles on seizures.... they don't display fully.... you have to hit the "download" button at the bottom of each of the articles on the EPi4Dogs Seizure page... and then the full document will pop up.

Hopefully maybe this will be of some help.

while i am thinking of it...... what other symptoms does Clyde have? Reason why i am asking.... is because over the years we have had 2 cases, where it displayed like EPI, but it wasn't quite EPI, and then the dog had seizures. Vets couldn't figure out what was going on in both cases.... and then it was finally discovered that the dog had canine liver shunt disease. i am not saying that this is what is going on but rather just tossing this out there, just in case this is something your vet thinks should be considered................