New EPI dog

Epi4Dogs Foundation Inc.’s mission is the advancement of science and education relating to EPI (Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency), yielding useful insights and positive outcomes in better managing EPI in dogs and cats. Our goals are to support and/or collaborate with veterinary EPI research and researchers, and to promote EPI awareness by educating the general public, pet owners, pet organizations, rescue and shelter organizations, veterinary schools and veterinarians.
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Jean
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Pet name: Kara, lost 10th May 2019
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Re: New EPI dog

Post by Jean » 10 Jul 2021, 05:10

hi there

if they get too much b12 for them they just pee it out so dont worry, its very useful we started Kara on 2 per day as her b12 was so low

to answer your question about cTLI, This might help you

https://vetmed.tamu.edu/gilab/service/assays/tli/

your result is positive for EPI , and is for life

I have had both an EPI cat and an EPI dog, and after finding the balance of the four corner stones Madelon talked about Kara was just like any other dog, we started being protective of her but that didnt last !

what sort of weight is she ?


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My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


Jeanx

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Madelon
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Re: New EPI dog

Post by Madelon » 10 Jul 2021, 09:18

Hi! Yes that's a bit too much B12 - just back it down now. As for the food - you don't need prescription food unless there's another underlying condition. I think the food is definitely the culprit here. I would definitely go back to the taste of the wild - a lot of EPI dogs have done well on that food - just double check the label to make sure it falls within the fiber recommendations. Switch the food slowly over at least 7 days. I would give the food switch a try before the Tylan.

Let us know how it goes.
Madelon, owned by DOC. DOC dx EPI 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24. DOC taught me so much and together we battled and overcame EPI, food sensitivies, environmental allergies but we lost the cancer battle. DOC was dx with hemangiosarcoma 5/2022 and crossed the rainbow bridge July 24, 2022. He is and always will be the love of my life, my soulmate, my heart dog.

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Re: New EPI dog

Post by Barb » 10 Jul 2021, 20:50

We had the most difficulty finding the right food, but once we did, the poos improved greatly. So I agree with Madelon, that maybe this is the best place to start. If you are keeping a journal/log, record everything you give her on a daily basis, the amounts and the resulting poos.

Let us know how she does.

Barb

Harper
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Tylan causing diarrhea

Post by Harper » 04 Aug 2021, 22:01

Hey guys,

Harper has been doing better since her diagnosis a little over a month ago, poop hasn’t been perfect but better and she’s gained a few pounds. We were finally able to get some Tylosin and started her on it last Thursday (just 6 days ago) at first her stools improved but over the last couple of days she’s had diarrhea; nothing else has changed. Has anyone else had this issue?

Thanks!

Tuckaboo Pam
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Re: New EPI dog

Post by Tuckaboo Pam » 05 Aug 2021, 17:13

I googled "Can Tylan cause diarrhea?" and got this. It's an answer to the question "Is Tylan used to cure diarrhea?"

"Tylan may also decrease the symptoms by affecting the immune system in the intestine. Side effects that usually are not serious include: Loose stools, mild diarrhea, and stomach upset."

I hadn't heard this, but I think maybe you should cut back on the dose, or maybe someone else will suggest giving it more time. What a mixed message, though.

Pam
Tucker was a shepherd/lab mix--- TLI 1.3, Folate 9.7, Cobalamin 666, Lipase 38. Took Diane's Enzymes 4 teaspoons/day, Wonderlabs B12 one capsule per day, and Tylan 1/16 teaspoon/ morning (to hold SID at bay). Taste of the Wild High Prairie, 1 1/2 cups/day, with a total of 4 cups of Fresh Pet. Stopped eating everything in sight, and went from 60 to 85 pounds! Tucker was my boyfriend, and my husband was OK with that. Tucker succumbed to hemangiosarcoma, but we cherished every day we had with that wonderful, beautiful boy. I will always, always miss my sweet big boy.

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Re: New EPI dog

Post by Barb » 05 Aug 2021, 19:08

Hi, Alexis,

Can you tell us the dose of tylosin you are giving Harper?

Barb

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Re: New EPI dog

Post by Harper » 06 Aug 2021, 19:40

Barb,

She weighs 39 pounds and I’ve been giving her 1/8 of a tsp 2x a day.

Tuckaboo Pam
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Re: New EPI dog

Post by Tuckaboo Pam » 07 Aug 2021, 07:37

That's the right dose. How has it been today? I just looked at the bag, and the fiber content is low, so that's good. Are your giving slippery elm, too?

Just know that you WILL get there, it just takes tweaking sometimes. Check back, more help will be on the way. Take care. The weight gain is a good sign!---Pam
Tucker was a shepherd/lab mix--- TLI 1.3, Folate 9.7, Cobalamin 666, Lipase 38. Took Diane's Enzymes 4 teaspoons/day, Wonderlabs B12 one capsule per day, and Tylan 1/16 teaspoon/ morning (to hold SID at bay). Taste of the Wild High Prairie, 1 1/2 cups/day, with a total of 4 cups of Fresh Pet. Stopped eating everything in sight, and went from 60 to 85 pounds! Tucker was my boyfriend, and my husband was OK with that. Tucker succumbed to hemangiosarcoma, but we cherished every day we had with that wonderful, beautiful boy. I will always, always miss my sweet big boy.

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Re: New EPI dog

Post by Madelon » 08 Aug 2021, 10:36

Hi Alexis. Have you changed the food or are you still feeding the Hills chicken and rice? If so, it may be time to switch the food. Most EPI dogs can't handle rice and/or chicken. I doubt the Tylan is causing the diarrhea, although it's possible, my first suspicion is the food - especially since you were still dealing with SID, which is why you started the Tylan. You might try and look for a grain free food with 4% fiber or less and avoid/limit peas and legumes. You might have a look at Sport Dog Food Elite - several of us are using their food with good results.
Madelon, owned by DOC. DOC dx EPI 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24. DOC taught me so much and together we battled and overcame EPI, food sensitivies, environmental allergies but we lost the cancer battle. DOC was dx with hemangiosarcoma 5/2022 and crossed the rainbow bridge July 24, 2022. He is and always will be the love of my life, my soulmate, my heart dog.

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Re: New EPI dog

Post by Barb » 09 Aug 2021, 15:28

Hi Alexis,

I’m sorry I didn’t respond to your dose of Tylosin information. My computer crashed and then I had a tooth extraction(when it rains it pours). Pam answered your question about the tylosin (thank you Pam) and I agree with Jill about the food being the possible culprit for the diarrhea.

Let us know how you do if you make a food change.

Barb

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