Bad Breath

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Majorqt75
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Re: Bad Breath

Post by Majorqt75 » 08 Oct 2022, 07:38

Are you giving them probiotics at all? I noticed Abbeys was horrific before she was getting them, once I got her on the right pre/probiotic the smell subsided a lot!!!

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PipersMom
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Re: Bad Breath

Post by PipersMom » 08 Oct 2022, 13:27

Yes Piper get Proviable-Forte daily.
Shawn, from NJ. Piper is ChowChow, German Shepherd, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Bluetick Coonhound, Border Collie, and Pit. Born 8/28/19.

EPI Diagnoised
: 4/7/21 (cTLI-1.8, B-12-<150, Folate->24). Started Enzymes 4/8/21. Piper's weight is a steady 50lbs. Lowest weight 42lbs. As of 4/5/21 B12 was 505.
Daily Meds: PancreVed Powder with each meal, B-12 1000mg every other day, Proin 25 mg BID, Gabapentin 150mg BID, Proviable-Forte Capsule, Priolosec 20mg and Incurin .5mg. If needed: Carprofen, Cerenia. NOTE: Trying Mercola Complete probiotics BID and stopped the other.
Current Food: Homemade food by me with a vet nutritionist recipe that has added vitamins and minerals.

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PipersMom
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Re: Bad Breath

Post by PipersMom » 08 Oct 2022, 13:36

Yesterday Piper started with the actual new recipe of food. I have been adding beef and rice to the already made recipe. She really likes any of it but I like that htis is more beef forward then sweet potato.

I also noticed that the volume of the stool was not like it was. Much less which I hear is good? As for the firmness, it is still not what I like but I think it is the psyllium powder. I am using Konsyl Organic Psyillum Powder. I wonder if Metamucil would be better?

Plus it is not as firm as we have had days (4 ) of nonstop rain and she was eating grass which makes her stool not good to.

I will see what it is like tonight
Shawn, from NJ. Piper is ChowChow, German Shepherd, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Bluetick Coonhound, Border Collie, and Pit. Born 8/28/19.

EPI Diagnoised
: 4/7/21 (cTLI-1.8, B-12-<150, Folate->24). Started Enzymes 4/8/21. Piper's weight is a steady 50lbs. Lowest weight 42lbs. As of 4/5/21 B12 was 505.
Daily Meds: PancreVed Powder with each meal, B-12 1000mg every other day, Proin 25 mg BID, Gabapentin 150mg BID, Proviable-Forte Capsule, Priolosec 20mg and Incurin .5mg. If needed: Carprofen, Cerenia. NOTE: Trying Mercola Complete probiotics BID and stopped the other.
Current Food: Homemade food by me with a vet nutritionist recipe that has added vitamins and minerals.

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Re: Bad Breath

Post by Olesia711 » 08 Oct 2022, 16:01

Yes, less stool is better :)

I looked up "Konsyl Organic Psyillum Powder" it is psyillum.

I would NOT use Metamucil... Metamucil is much harsher.

How much are you using of Konsyl powder????? WHen using Psyllium or SLippery Elm if you use too much it will give the dog gas and loose stools. So you don't want to over-do. In other words, More is NOT better!

For example, when we give SLippery Elm powder..... we only give :

1/8 tsp for dogs under 10lbs,
¼ tsp for dogs 10lbs to 30lbs,
½ tsp for dogs 30lbs to 80lbs,
3/4 tsp for dogs 80lbs to 100lbs,
1 tsp for dog 100/+lbs.

So depending on how much you are giving... you "might" want to try adjusting the dose.

If changing the amount of the Konsyl powder doesn't make a difference for the better.... the next thing you "might" want to try..... is change the probiotic. Even though Proviable is usually well tolerated and effective with many of our EPI dogs... this is no guarantee that it is going to work on all EPI dogs that need a probiotic. The issue is that every dog has their own unique gut flora composition and currently all brands of probiotics are a "one-size-fits-all".... so sometimes even the recommended probiotic products don't work as well as we expect.

SOOOOoooooo all that to say... you might want to change probiotics.... as an example, i had trouble with my dog's diarrhea... i tried proviable and 2 others.... nothing....BUT... when i tried Mercola Complete Probiotics https://www.chewy.com/dr-mercola-comple ... iIQAvD_BwE .... it worked like a charm i saw dramatic improvement the very next day..... so.... just saying.... you might want to try a different probiotic.

ANd if a different probiotic doesn't work... another (lower on the list) thing you might want to try is slightly increase the Tylan dose and see if that works............
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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PipersMom
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Re: Bad Breath

Post by PipersMom » 08 Oct 2022, 19:00

Thanks for all the info.

Piper gets 1tsp of psyllium powder per the internists. I will try to lower. As for the probiotic, she has been on probable since the beginning. but I will also look at the one you posted.

I know pupper gets 11 to 12 oz of food or sitting. 1 tsp enzyme. Would o add an 1/8tsp more?
Shawn, from NJ. Piper is ChowChow, German Shepherd, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Bluetick Coonhound, Border Collie, and Pit. Born 8/28/19.

EPI Diagnoised
: 4/7/21 (cTLI-1.8, B-12-<150, Folate->24). Started Enzymes 4/8/21. Piper's weight is a steady 50lbs. Lowest weight 42lbs. As of 4/5/21 B12 was 505.
Daily Meds: PancreVed Powder with each meal, B-12 1000mg every other day, Proin 25 mg BID, Gabapentin 150mg BID, Proviable-Forte Capsule, Priolosec 20mg and Incurin .5mg. If needed: Carprofen, Cerenia. NOTE: Trying Mercola Complete probiotics BID and stopped the other.
Current Food: Homemade food by me with a vet nutritionist recipe that has added vitamins and minerals.

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Re: Bad Breath

Post by jilbert57 » 08 Oct 2022, 19:23

What is the 11 or 12 oz of food in cups?

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My name is Jill and we live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. We currently have 2 Jack russells, TJ is 6 and Sadie is 8months.

Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
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Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.

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PipersMom
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Re: Bad Breath

Post by PipersMom » 08 Oct 2022, 19:27

I will measure it in the morning and let you know
Shawn, from NJ. Piper is ChowChow, German Shepherd, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Bluetick Coonhound, Border Collie, and Pit. Born 8/28/19.

EPI Diagnoised
: 4/7/21 (cTLI-1.8, B-12-<150, Folate->24). Started Enzymes 4/8/21. Piper's weight is a steady 50lbs. Lowest weight 42lbs. As of 4/5/21 B12 was 505.
Daily Meds: PancreVed Powder with each meal, B-12 1000mg every other day, Proin 25 mg BID, Gabapentin 150mg BID, Proviable-Forte Capsule, Priolosec 20mg and Incurin .5mg. If needed: Carprofen, Cerenia. NOTE: Trying Mercola Complete probiotics BID and stopped the other.
Current Food: Homemade food by me with a vet nutritionist recipe that has added vitamins and minerals.

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Re: Bad Breath

Post by Olesia711 » 08 Oct 2022, 22:19

11 or 12 ounces of food is about 1+1/2 cups of food.... so she probably would be doing much better with 1+1/2 level tsp of enzymes :) especially if this is dry food.

If this is wet food (canned/home-made) then she probably would need 1 or 1+1/4 tsp of enzymes..........
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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PipersMom
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Re: Bad Breath

Post by PipersMom » 09 Oct 2022, 03:54

Olesia711 wrote: 08 Oct 2022, 22:19 11 or 12 ounces of food is about 1+1/2 cups of food.... so she probably would be doing much better with 1+1/2 level tsp of enzymes :) especially if this is dry food.

If this is wet food (canned/home-made) then she probably would need 1 or 1+1/4 tsp of enzymes..........
Wet homemade food. I will try upping it a tad if over a cup.


This forum and the members are wonderful. If not for you all I don't know what I would have done to care for Piper. 💗💗💗
Shawn, from NJ. Piper is ChowChow, German Shepherd, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Bluetick Coonhound, Border Collie, and Pit. Born 8/28/19.

EPI Diagnoised
: 4/7/21 (cTLI-1.8, B-12-<150, Folate->24). Started Enzymes 4/8/21. Piper's weight is a steady 50lbs. Lowest weight 42lbs. As of 4/5/21 B12 was 505.
Daily Meds: PancreVed Powder with each meal, B-12 1000mg every other day, Proin 25 mg BID, Gabapentin 150mg BID, Proviable-Forte Capsule, Priolosec 20mg and Incurin .5mg. If needed: Carprofen, Cerenia. NOTE: Trying Mercola Complete probiotics BID and stopped the other.
Current Food: Homemade food by me with a vet nutritionist recipe that has added vitamins and minerals.

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Olesia711
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Re: Bad Breath

Post by Olesia711 » 09 Oct 2022, 09:49

good idea... try upping the enzymes just a wee bit (maybe by 1/8 of a tsp) ... give it a few days and see if that makes a difference.

Keep us posted!!!!!!
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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