Bad Breath

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Jean
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Re: Bad Breath

Post by Jean » 15 May 2023, 10:35

thanks Jill

its something I always kept in jjust incase, and the vet tols me about it years ago for bad breath
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

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My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


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Re: Bad Breath

Post by Olesia711 » 15 May 2023, 12:12

hi Shawn, if you want to try and remove the rice..... try supplementing with baked, mashed, skinned white potato..... they are now saying that white potato does NOT cause inflammation, etc. but rather is actually good . (NOt really sure what the real truth is, cause this seems to happen a lot, where one food item falls out of favor for years and then discovered later that it was all falsehoods....)

OR... you can just increase the sweet potato to cover the rice.
Or...if she can handle dairy.... try given a little cottage cheese

Let us know how things go!
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Jean
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Re: Bad Breath

Post by Jean » 15 May 2023, 12:47

"Dogs do no not digest rice too well. It takes a lot of work for the body to break down. Rice is a carbohydrate and we know dogs have little nutritional requirement for carbohydrates in their diet. White rice has a high glycemic index, meaning it will cause a rapid spike in blood glucose levels.1"

My vets always said no to rice

sp for us with an unwell dog its mashed potato and scrambled egg no milk no saltt
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


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PipersMom
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Re: Bad Breath

Post by PipersMom » 15 May 2023, 19:11

I was speaking with the vet the other day when I brought Piper in for a nail trim and to get a refill of her enzymes and tylan. I asked again about the amount of enzymes and the vet said 1 tsp.

So while I know Piper get 10 or 11 oz of food a meal I actually measured it today and it is between approx 1.75 cups of food each meal. That has me thinking if 1 tsp of enzymes is enough. Pipers issues have been an issue since I went to home made and the amount of food did increase. Even the internist and nutritionist said 1 tsp was enough however doctors in my area do not know much about EPI other then very basic information. When I bring up info I learn from this forum and site to them the, act as if I have three heads and ask where I heard the info and then I give them the forum link.

So my questions is... should I try to increase the enzymes? If so by how much?
Shawn, from NJ. Piper is Chow Chow, German Shepherd, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Bluetick Coonhound, Boxer, Border Collie, and Pit. Born 8/28/19.

EPI Diagnoised
: 4/7/21 (cTLI-1.8, B-12-<150, Folate->24). Started Enzymes 4/8/21. Piper's weight dropped to 45 but was a is a steady 52lbs. Lowest weight 42lbs. As of 4/5/21 B12 was 505. As of 12/14/22 was 830
Daily Meds: PancreVed Powder with each meal, Pet Factor B-12 W/ Intrinsic Factor, Proin 25 mg BID, Gabapentin 150mg BID, Proviable-Forte Capsule, FortiFlora Probiotic and Incurin .5mg. If needed: carprofeb, Cerenia, Tylan
Current Food: Homemade food by me with a vet nutritionist recipe that has added vitamins and minerals.

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Re: Bad Breath

Post by Olesia711 » 15 May 2023, 19:20

we strongly suggest 1 level tsp of powdered porcine enzymes (with the Lipase USP units around 71,000) per 1 cup of food (kibble) and then moisten enough for the enzymes to have something to stick to.......... if feeding wet food, you can reduce the amount of enzymes to 1/2 tsp to 3/4 tsp per 1 cup of wet food.

So yes.... i would try upping the enzymes by another 1/2 tsp.
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Bad Breath

Post by PipersMom » 15 May 2023, 19:23

Thank you. I will try that starting tomorrow and let you know how she does in a few days and then some 😊
Shawn, from NJ. Piper is Chow Chow, German Shepherd, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Bluetick Coonhound, Boxer, Border Collie, and Pit. Born 8/28/19.

EPI Diagnoised
: 4/7/21 (cTLI-1.8, B-12-<150, Folate->24). Started Enzymes 4/8/21. Piper's weight dropped to 45 but was a is a steady 52lbs. Lowest weight 42lbs. As of 4/5/21 B12 was 505. As of 12/14/22 was 830
Daily Meds: PancreVed Powder with each meal, Pet Factor B-12 W/ Intrinsic Factor, Proin 25 mg BID, Gabapentin 150mg BID, Proviable-Forte Capsule, FortiFlora Probiotic and Incurin .5mg. If needed: carprofeb, Cerenia, Tylan
Current Food: Homemade food by me with a vet nutritionist recipe that has added vitamins and minerals.

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Olesia711
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Re: Bad Breath

Post by Olesia711 » 15 May 2023, 19:53

yes, please do keep us posted!
Hope this helps!
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Bad Breath

Post by PipersMom » 17 May 2023, 13:06

Olesia711 wrote: 03 Feb 2023, 14:01 i think the above plan is a good start..... first try the reduce rice to 1/4 cup cooked brown rice... do this for 3 days, watch the poos..... if you are not pleased..... THEN... try the following

Swap out the rice completely and replace it with white mashed potatoes..... and again, give it at least 3 days to see if this helps or hinders....

i would leave the pumpkin as is. for now.... besides you ONLY want to adjust 1 thing at a time

Regarding white potatoes..... they just came out with white potatoes do NOT cause inflammation nor does it raise blood sugar for diabetes...f. they are now saying that they are actually good for you ..... kind of figured this all along with our dogs and their "out-put" when given white mashed potato......

ANyway.... here are the stats of cooked brown rice vs. cooked mashed white potato:

There are 215 calories in 1 cup of cooked Brown Rice.
Calorie breakdown: 7% fat, 83% carbs, 9% protein.
Calories 215
Fat 1.74g
Carbs 44.42g
Protein 4.99g

There are 210 calories in 1 cup of Mashed Potato.
Calorie breakdown: 31% fat, 62% carbs, 7% protein.
Calories 210
Fat 7.43g
Carbs 33.01g
Protein 3.78g


I have a question on White Potatoes. What do you consider a white potato? I know russets are more for baking so can I use Yukon, Yellow, Easter or Russet? I can not find White unless in a can.,
Shawn, from NJ. Piper is Chow Chow, German Shepherd, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Bluetick Coonhound, Boxer, Border Collie, and Pit. Born 8/28/19.

EPI Diagnoised
: 4/7/21 (cTLI-1.8, B-12-<150, Folate->24). Started Enzymes 4/8/21. Piper's weight dropped to 45 but was a is a steady 52lbs. Lowest weight 42lbs. As of 4/5/21 B12 was 505. As of 12/14/22 was 830
Daily Meds: PancreVed Powder with each meal, Pet Factor B-12 W/ Intrinsic Factor, Proin 25 mg BID, Gabapentin 150mg BID, Proviable-Forte Capsule, FortiFlora Probiotic and Incurin .5mg. If needed: carprofeb, Cerenia, Tylan
Current Food: Homemade food by me with a vet nutritionist recipe that has added vitamins and minerals.

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Re: Bad Breath

Post by jilbert57 » 17 May 2023, 13:10

I have always referred to white potatoes meaning NOT yams or sweet potatoes. The ones you mention I use when I want white potatoes.

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My name is Jill and we live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. We currently have 2 Jack russells, TJ is 8 and Sadie is 2.

Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
He lived from 6/99 - 8/2014

Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.

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Re: Bad Breath

Post by PipersMom » 17 May 2023, 13:15

jilbert57 wrote: 17 May 2023, 13:10 I have always referred to white potatoes meaning NOT yams or sweet potatoes. The ones you mention I use.

Jill
👍🏼 Perfect Thank you
Shawn, from NJ. Piper is Chow Chow, German Shepherd, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Bluetick Coonhound, Boxer, Border Collie, and Pit. Born 8/28/19.

EPI Diagnoised
: 4/7/21 (cTLI-1.8, B-12-<150, Folate->24). Started Enzymes 4/8/21. Piper's weight dropped to 45 but was a is a steady 52lbs. Lowest weight 42lbs. As of 4/5/21 B12 was 505. As of 12/14/22 was 830
Daily Meds: PancreVed Powder with each meal, Pet Factor B-12 W/ Intrinsic Factor, Proin 25 mg BID, Gabapentin 150mg BID, Proviable-Forte Capsule, FortiFlora Probiotic and Incurin .5mg. If needed: carprofeb, Cerenia, Tylan
Current Food: Homemade food by me with a vet nutritionist recipe that has added vitamins and minerals.

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