Allergies to enzymes

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Re: Allergies to enzymes

Post by jilbert57 » 15 Aug 2019, 19:32

WooHoo! That is great!
It might be good to keep a daily journal of food, meds, in case something causes a disrupt.

https://epi4dogs.com/epi-log/

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My name is Jill and I live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. I have two dogs: Kiya is an aussie/blue heeler and is 12 yrs young. TJ is a 3 year old Jack Russell. They keep me on my toes.
Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.

Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.
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Re: Allergies to enzymes

Post by Paulag » 15 Aug 2019, 21:19

Good idea Jill! Tks for the link

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Re: Allergies to enzymes

Post by Jean » 16 Aug 2019, 03:54

sadly its trial and error at the start of this journey

we had enteric coated enzymes at the beginning

Lypex, but it was too expensive, and over here, Creon is probably not available for pets

so keep your diary , note everything down, and change one thing at a time

I cried when Kara had her first proper poo

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My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We use Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules


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Re: Allergies to enzymes

Post by Patsy » 16 Aug 2019, 16:07

Happy poo dance time! I remember Marti’s first good poo. I knew then she wasn’t going to die despite her other issues.
If what you’re doing works, don’t change anything yet.
Springer spaniel Marti had Epi, PLE , MMM just to confuse me. She lived till 12yrs, chubby and happy despite eight years of epi.
Capsule enzymes suited her best. B12 supplements made her into a new dog!
After a cocker with PLN kidney disease, I now have two healthy rescues, a lively, suicidal , small ginger terrier, adopted with pneumonia, and gum disease needing nearly all his teeth out, and a fluffy grey toy poodle/terrier from Greece.

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Re: Allergies to enzymes

Post by Patsy » 16 Aug 2019, 16:24

That’s correct. Our website section on it says to try SE before an trying antibiotic course. Lyra obviously needs tylan, so you could cut out the slippery elm for now. It says if you do need to use it the amount for Lyra is half a teaspoon.
I’ve only used it when my other dog had blood in his stools, from something else. SE produces a slimy coating which protects sore or ulcerated gut, so that it is unaffected by strong gut digestive acids, and heals really quickly. Epi doesn’t usually do this.
Springer spaniel Marti had Epi, PLE , MMM just to confuse me. She lived till 12yrs, chubby and happy despite eight years of epi.
Capsule enzymes suited her best. B12 supplements made her into a new dog!
After a cocker with PLN kidney disease, I now have two healthy rescues, a lively, suicidal , small ginger terrier, adopted with pneumonia, and gum disease needing nearly all his teeth out, and a fluffy grey toy poodle/terrier from Greece.

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Re: Allergies to enzymes

Post by Paulag » 16 Aug 2019, 20:55

Interesting Patsy

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Re: Allergies to enzymes

Post by Tuckaboo. » 18 Aug 2019, 18:28

I can't find my comment, but want to apologize for mentioning enzymes. The root of your question was your lungs, and I had forgotten that. ----Pam

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Re: Allergies to enzymes

Post by Madelon » 18 Aug 2019, 20:54

Happy poop dance!! The daily log is a life saver - we are 4 1/2yrs in and I can't tell you how many times I've had to refer back to the log to figure things out. It also helped me figure out his non-related food sensitivities and environmental allergies.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Re: Allergies to enzymes

Post by Ruby » 21 Aug 2019, 01:15

Hi,
I had a similar problem as you have experienced. I Couldn't use the powder either.
This is what I did and it has worked out for 9 years so far.

For each meal. (twice a day) I take two capsules of Creon (10,000 each) in the palm of my had put some water in my hand put my hand out to my dog and she licks them up. The water keeps them from sticking and she it doesn't get stuck on her mouth or in her throat. I feed her Earthborn Great Plaines Feast ..... 2 cups sometimes even 2 3/4 cups for her size. I add a little water to the kibble and make it moist and dump the water out. I even put her B12 with intrinsic factor in her bowl add a drop of pumpkin 100% pure from the supermarket. I keep the rest of the pumpkin in the refrigerator for about 7 days then I change and use a new can.

I never had to open a capsule or ever used a mask...... just the capsules as they come from the bottle.

I also, give my dog about 1/16 of a teaspoon of Primal Defense probiotics every few days. Took much and whew leave the room lol

I hope some of this help make things more pleasant for you and your dog. It works .......and you will be feeling better yourself.

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Re: Allergies to enzymes

Post by Jean » 21 Aug 2019, 04:41

THANKS EVERYONE

This is the reason that the forum is so valuable

people share their experiences, as my vet said "you are with me for maybe 30 minutes, you are with your pet 24/7, so you know what the score is"

open to everything

Kara shed her bowel because of SIBO/SID, that was horrible but I was reassured that the bowel recovers quickly, and on mashed potato and scrambled eggs, and 2 days in my bed, she did, she even pulled the duvet over her !know

so keep your diary and let us
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We use Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules


Jeanx

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