Update on Ruby

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Ruby
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Update on Ruby

Post by Ruby » 01 Dec 2019, 23:34

Hi,

My Ruby is doing well.
If you have any need for Creon ( no prescription needed)you can contact Chemist Warehouse look them up on the web I paid $31.69 for 100 capsules ...

Now I have a two questions. Have any of you dealt with dry skin almost no hair on the body? Did you ever use olive oil (5 drops) to one cup of water and massage in. I just started to do this for Ruby. I used some on my dog Kody in almost bare spot and his hair grew back. Just wondering if anyone else has tried this? My dog Ruby lost almost all of her hair along sides and back from a Dog Groomer who shampooed her 3 times with medicated shampooed (scream).... that was a year ago .....all the hair has still not grown in trying but not really not doing well. I had tried to use Vetricyn wound stuff on her but didn't do any good as far as dryness goes.

Her eyes had mucus in them tried and us Vetrcyn made for eyes didn't help. Now I am just using plain water on a cotton balls to get the mucus out and take the crustiness away. Seems to be working. Any suggestions??

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Jean
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Re: Update on Ruby

Post by Jean » 02 Dec 2019, 05:41

hi there

Kara always had rubbish in her eyes

we used Brolene eye drops, and also maybe warm ish salt water

I never had loss of hair, only very heavy shedding

peole have had good results with coconut oil, and salmon oil

https://epi4dogs.com/epi-diets-are-tricky/

I remember you telling us about the groomer

what do you bathe her with now ?

thank you so much for the information on Creon

Jean
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We use Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


Jeanx

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Olesia711
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Re: Update on Ruby

Post by Olesia711 » 02 Dec 2019, 10:38

Hi Marily,

So glad to hear that Ruby is doing well... with her diabetes.

I have not use oil but i have used calendula salve (oil paste made from the calendula flower) and it helped greatly with the raw spots and hair grew back.

Thankfully i don't have any experience with eye issues...............
Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Doing great 12+ years later! Once stable at 3+ months, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each cup of food, but as she aged- -had to go back 1 tsp enzymes per cup of food. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil / fish oil daily .... until she developed Diabetes and she now cannot tolerate higher fat foods. Currently feed an 80% home-made diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, 1/3 of a raw egg, fat free cottage cheese, fish oil+vitamins and bone meal with 20% Annamaet Lean & Grain Free kibble. This combo has regulated her Diabetes (takes Vetsulin) and EPI and is very well managed. In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. This is when we discovered that she also developed Diabetes & Low Thyroid. Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the generosity of folks on Epi4dogs! Izzy continues to wake up every day full of joy. I am not a vet. All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal experiences, observations, information gleaned from EPI researchers & pet parents alike, and EPI research. Please share with your vet everything we suggest.

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Re: Update on Ruby

Post by Ruby » 03 Dec 2019, 17:47

Thanks for your info about Brolene. Did you use it long?. I would think to try it in one eye first to see how she reacts.

And Olesia you probably forgot Ruby does not have diabetes thank God. But, that's o.k. you have so much to keep track of.

She is doing great on Creon and B12 with intrinsic factor. She is having trouble with her eyes so I may try the Brolene.

Ruby was in this years calendar for November thank you show much for using her picture.

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Re: Update on Ruby

Post by Olesia711 » 03 Dec 2019, 22:46

Hi Marilyn,

So sorry about the "diabetes" oops.... i had just written someone privately dealing with EPI + Diabetes and obviously still had it on my mind...when typing a response to you... i meant to type EPI....
Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Doing great 12+ years later! Once stable at 3+ months, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each cup of food, but as she aged- -had to go back 1 tsp enzymes per cup of food. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil / fish oil daily .... until she developed Diabetes and she now cannot tolerate higher fat foods. Currently feed an 80% home-made diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, 1/3 of a raw egg, fat free cottage cheese, fish oil+vitamins and bone meal with 20% Annamaet Lean & Grain Free kibble. This combo has regulated her Diabetes (takes Vetsulin) and EPI and is very well managed. In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. This is when we discovered that she also developed Diabetes & Low Thyroid. Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the generosity of folks on Epi4dogs! Izzy continues to wake up every day full of joy. I am not a vet. All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal experiences, observations, information gleaned from EPI researchers & pet parents alike, and EPI research. Please share with your vet everything we suggest.

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Re: Update on Ruby

Post by Madelon » 05 Dec 2019, 22:01

Hi Marilyn. So glad Ruby is doing well. Are you giving Vitamin E? Recent research has shown that EPI dogs are lacking in fat soluble vitamins such as Vitamin E - which is also supposed to help the skin. As for eye gunk - the only time my boy gets eye gunk is when he's dealing with environmental issues. I don't treat it with anything but he gets Zyrtec 10mg to help with environmental allergies.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Re: Update on Ruby

Post by Ruby » 10 Dec 2019, 10:23

Thanks for your responses. Where can I get Brolene from? I will check out Petsmart and Petco and see if they have it. Ruby is rubbing her eye and irritating around her one eye. Poor baby. I put some polyspiron around the eye area.

I started to use olive oil and water mixed on her dry skin and it seems to be working. Softening up her skin seem like her hair is growing out more I hope looks better. My poor baby.
:cry:

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Re: Update on Ruby

Post by Madelon » 10 Dec 2019, 14:20

Hi Marilyn. I'm not sure where to buy Brolene as I've never used it but might want to check your local nutrition store?? Glad to hear Ruby's skin/hair is doing better with the olive oil.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Re: Update on Ruby

Post by Ruby » 10 Dec 2019, 20:30

Hi Jean said she used Brolene eye drops...maybe she can help direct me. Thanks for writing me back. I did check with my vet they don't know what it is. I checked Petco and Petsmart they don't know what it is also. So Maybe Jean will come back on and be able to direct me where to purchase it. THanks for all your help.

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Re: Update on Ruby

Post by jilbert57 » 10 Dec 2019, 22:48

Brolene eye drops are an antibiotic for the eyes:

https://www.drugs.com/uk/brolene-eye-drops-leaflet.html

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