Roxy needs help !!! 8 year old female chihuahua

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Roxy Dyer
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Re: Roxy needs help !!! 8 year old female chihuahua

Post by Roxy Dyer » 03 Dec 2019, 11:58

Also does raging SID cause the white blood cells to elevate ?

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Re: Roxy needs help !!! 8 year old female chihuahua

Post by Jean » 03 Dec 2019, 12:29

Kara shed her bowel when she had a very severe SID, and she put herself to bed in our bed, under the duvet, we gave her scrambled egg and mashed potato not sure about the white cell elevation
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We use Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


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Re: Roxy needs help !!! 8 year old female chihuahua

Post by Barb » 03 Dec 2019, 19:32

I am so sorry you and Roxy are going through this.

We have had to switch to metronidazole several times with Kolby when he had setbacks with SID and he has had no ill effects. It calmed the SID and restored his poos to healthy ones. However, some dogs in rare instances have had negative effects from metro......so you should just be aware.

I have never observed a fever in Kolby when he had SID/SIBO but others can chime in here.

Sending lots of healing energy.

Barb

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Post by Olesia711 » 03 Dec 2019, 23:50

Hi Regina,

I hope the Slippery Elm calms things down for her....if she does have IBS,,,,, the SLippery Elm will actually help her !!!!

Technically Slippery Elm has mucilage properties, coats the intestines, so it may inhibit to a very small degree the full effectiveness of any medicine given.
I personally have given Slippery Elm together with these antibiotics.....Metronidazole and/or Tylan and or Amoxycillan simply because you've got leeway with these antibioitics... however, when i had to give Lysodren(or Mitodane) to my dog with Cushings ... these drugs had to be very exact... and at those times, i gave the slippery elm about an hour or two away from the cancer drug.

Generally, SID does not involve a fever.... so i suspect something else is triggering this infection, BUT.... along with it, most likely, as with any EPI dog, SID is present and yes it does get out of control. Slippery Elm sometimes can help with out of control SID, but other times, you need an antibiotic. In most out-of control SID situations, Tylan (Tylosin tartrate 100 gram) antibiotic works better than Metronidazole, but not always.....some dogs jsut don't respond wo Tylan and then Metro is advised. It all depends on what type of bacteria imbalance is going on and where (small intestine or large intestine).

However, the fact that little Roxy has a fever ... sounds like more than SID is going on (infection) and your vet probably made the right choice going with Metronidazole instead of Tylan in this case. Hopefully the fever will subside with the Metronidazole. Is Metro safe? yes and no. Yes it is safe, but some dogs develop a toxicity to it, even after being on it multiple times in the past with no issues.... although this doesn't happen often ...it can happen. What you need to watch for is if Roxy displays any back leg weakness (as if she has some sort of neurological problem) or her just acting really weird. If she does, stop the metro immediately (and the symptoms should go away) and call your vet to let him/her know what happened.

The other concern is any kind of infection in a diabetic dog can make them really sick. SO it is a very good thing that the vet started Roxy on Metro. Paws and Fingers crossed that this helps!

Please continue to keep us posted and let us know how Roxy is doing.
Olesia, owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.3, Doing great 12+ years later! Once stable at 3+ months, was able to reduce enzymes to only 1/2 tsp of Enzymes (use EnzymeDiane's 6x) with each cup of food, but as she aged- -had to go back 1 tsp enzymes per cup of food. Fed various grain-free kibble+real meat, 6x pancreatin enzymes from EnzymeDiane., gave 1 tsp of coconut oil / fish oil daily .... until she developed Diabetes and she now cannot tolerate higher fat foods. Currently feed an 80% home-made diet of sweet potato, a lean meat/fish, 1/3 of a raw egg, fat free cottage cheese, fish oil+vitamins and bone meal with 20% Annamaet Lean & Grain Free kibble. This combo has regulated her Diabetes (takes Vetsulin) and EPI and is very well managed. In Feb 2013, Izzy developed a very serious condition called IMHA which she (thankfully) beat and is now in remission. This is when we discovered that she also developed Diabetes & Low Thyroid. Izzy was able to receive excellent care because of the generosity of folks on Epi4dogs! Izzy continues to wake up every day full of joy. I am not a vet. All of my suggestions/recommendations are based on personal experiences, observations, information gleaned from EPI researchers & pet parents alike, and EPI research. Please share with your vet everything we suggest.

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Re: Roxy needs help !!! 8 year old female chihuahua

Post by Madelon » 05 Dec 2019, 21:51

I'm so sorry you and Roxy are going through this. I too have a "Roxy" (non-EPI). I'm glad Olesia chimed in - please keep us posted on how things are going.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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