New member: Daisy's story

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Re: New member: Daisy's story

Post by Madelon » 14 Jan 2020, 22:06

Glad you got the WonderLabs pills ordered. So far the company is AMAZING and have been continuing to give the discount so as far as we know it will continue.

In my personal opinion, I did not do shots and my boys B12 was low at diagnosis - I just did the pills, so you should be okay. The pills work for most EPI dogs - there are few rare cases that require the shots but that's not the norm.

As far as retesting - if you can afford it okay - if not, just keep an eye out for signs of low B12 - loss of appetite, weight loss, loss of energy etc. I had my boy's retested after 3 months to be sure we were where we needed to be but haven't retested since - almost 5yrs ago.

Please compile a list of any questions you have - that's what we are here for!!
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Re: New member: Daisy's story

Post by faye grimm » 14 Jan 2020, 22:58

sounds good Madelon.

So to be clear ... I add one capsule to each meal or just 2 meals if I am feeding more than twice a day, correct?

It's interesting how differently things are priced between various veterinarians.
I did find out the shots were only $8 at the other less pricey vet I go to so if Daisy does run into trouble in the future that will be where I go. But their test for folate/cobalimine was quite a bit more expensive that the at the expensive vet.
I assume it is the labs they use.
Both have been nice enough to let me just bring Daisy in for a blood draw without an office visit and I suspect many vets will do that for established patients but you do have to ask or they assume it will be an appointment.
Daisy and I live in rural southern Oregon. In June of 2015 I saw someone selling 5 week old puppies from a van and I swear I was "only looking" when Daisy's head popped up from the back of the box and she jumped across her liter mates straight to me, got up on her hind legs and started licking my face.
She had just chosen me. The guy wanted $100 a pup. I told him I only had $50. He said no way.
I replied, "This is my dog now. Take it or leave it. But she is coming home with me."
So I gave the man his $50 and we have been joined at the hip every since ...

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Re: New member: Daisy's story

Post by Madelon » 15 Jan 2020, 13:49

The amount of B12 depends on Daisy's weight. The WonderLabs pills are 1000ug
0-20lbs give 250ug (so 1/4 pill)
20-40lbs give 500ug (so 1/2 pill)
40lbs and above give 1000ug (so 1 pill)

Now the tricky part and this is true even with shots - you have to figure out how often to give that dose to keep Daisy's B12 level where it should be. The shots say once a week but a lot of people notice towards the end of the week before the next week's shot, their dog will lose energy, appetite, etc.

If I were you I would give the correct dose once a day. Then when Daisy is stable in a month or two I would have the B12 retested to see where it's at - if she's stable and the B12 is over 600 then you could try reducing the B12 a little bit - maybe give the dose every other day and watch for changes. Once she's stable you'll be able to tell when her B12 level goes down without having to constantly retest it.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Re: New member: Daisy's story

Post by faye grimm » 15 Jan 2020, 14:44

well the good news for me is the product I chose is a capsule so i will be able to adjust her dosage easier it seems.
Will I need to let that fully incubate with her food or add toward the last few minutes?
I'm also adding some slippery elm twice a day and have been doing that both ways because I am not sure which is best.
Daisy and I live in rural southern Oregon. In June of 2015 I saw someone selling 5 week old puppies from a van and I swear I was "only looking" when Daisy's head popped up from the back of the box and she jumped across her liter mates straight to me, got up on her hind legs and started licking my face.
She had just chosen me. The guy wanted $100 a pup. I told him I only had $50. He said no way.
I replied, "This is my dog now. Take it or leave it. But she is coming home with me."
So I gave the man his $50 and we have been joined at the hip every since ...

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Re: New member: Daisy's story

Post by Madelon » 15 Jan 2020, 19:59

No need to incubate the slippery elm or the B12 - yes the capsules are easy - just open and divide equally into whatever dose you need.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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