My shepherd still has diarrhea - need suggestions

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Re: My shepherd still has diarrhea - need suggestions

Post by jilbert57 » 15 Jan 2020, 09:26

In my opinion I would stay with the correct enzyme dose. Try feeding on a flat plate then post meal taking a wet cloth and wipe down the mouth. Or put a tasty treat in the water bowl so she has to root about in water for the treat but also serves as cleaning the enzymes off the mouth and snout. Also you can try incubating longer.

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Re: My shepherd still has diarrhea - need suggestions

Post by Madelon » 15 Jan 2020, 13:41

Poor little pup - yes the enzymes can cause mouth sores. Try reducing the amount of water you use - you just need enough to dissolve the enzymes and coat the kibble. Then as Jill suggested feed on a flat plate so the muzzle is not stuck down in the bowl. You can also toss a few kibbles into the water so that your little one has to bob for the kibble thus rinsing the mouth.
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Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Re: My shepherd still has diarrhea - need suggestions

Post by shepherdmom31 » 15 Jan 2020, 21:48

Thanks guys. Kept the enzymes the same and decreased the amount of water to just enough to moisten the kibble this evening. I also had her bob for some treats in her water bowl. She didn’t seem to have any problems eating tonight so hopefully that will do the trick. Luckily her sores aren’t too bad and are already healing.

As of today Idgie’s poop is back to normal for the first time in probably 3-4 months! She is already acting so much more relaxed. I can’t believe it took this long to figure everything out. Such a simple fix made all the difference in just a day! Hopefully she stabilizes for good, I’ve been so stressed out about her.

Thank you guys for all your help I really appreciate it!!!

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Re: My shepherd still has diarrhea - need suggestions

Post by jilbert57 » 15 Jan 2020, 21:50

Thanks for the good report!
My name is Jill and I live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. I have two dogs: Kiya is an aussie/blue heeler and is 13, TJ is a 4 year old Jack Russell. They keep me on my toes.
Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.

Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.
6/1999 - 8/2014

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Re: My shepherd still has diarrhea - need suggestions

Post by Madelon » 16 Jan 2020, 13:22

So glad she ate and the sores are already healing. And good poop to top it off - congratulations!! Keep up the good work and know we are here whenever you need us :)
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Re: My shepherd still has diarrhea - need suggestions

Post by Tuckaboo. » 16 Jan 2020, 16:52

That was quick!---I used turkey broth to marinate Tucker's food & enzymes, but then I read on here about poultry fat not working with some EPI dogs, so I'm trying to go without & just use water. My vet was concerned that it would taste bad & he wouldn't eat, but---I suppose once you've eaten poop (Tucker used to be a connoisseur), there's not much that's gonna taste bad. Glad those days are over. Glad to hear the sores are healing, and amazed by your progress. Good job!---Pam
Tucker is a shepherd/lab mix, adopted on craigslist; he has not had a blood test for EPI, per my vet's advice. In May 2019 we started on sulfasalazine to eliminate IBS as diagnosis. Symptoms returned at end of course, so started on Tylan alone...no luck, so added enzymes, and the difference was dramatic. Currently taking Diane's Enzymes 3 teaspoons/day, Wonderlab B12 capsules 2/day, and Tylan 1/2 teaspoon/day. No more coprophagia, he has gained 10 pounds(was on his way to chunky monkey status, so his portion has been reduced), and he is a happy member of the family, if a bit of a bully with his four siblings from time to time. Tucker is my boyfriend, and my husband is OK with that.

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