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Sandie
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Activated charcoal

Post by Sandie » 23 May 2020, 12:11

Hello!

A quick question:

Does activated charcoal interfere with enzyme activity (like Creon)

Thank you!
Fátima

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Post by jilbert57 » 23 May 2020, 14:44

I am not sure. Are you using it as a method of picking up toxins from ingesting a poison substance, or daily? If daily I would suggest waiting an hour or two after Creon.
I do not know this for sure.

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Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.

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Post by Olesia711 » 23 May 2020, 21:22

i too do not know how safe activated charcoal is to give with CREON.... is it possible for you to give omeprazole instead?
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Re: Activated charcoal

Post by Jean » 24 May 2020, 09:05

We used activated charcoal on occasion with Panzym, no issues

Might be as well to check with Creon direct
My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We use Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


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Re: Activated charcoal

Post by Sandie » 24 May 2020, 09:45

jilbert57 wrote:
23 May 2020, 14:44
I am not sure. Are you using it as a method of picking up toxins from ingesting a poison substance, or daily? If daily I would suggest waiting an hour or two after Creon.
I do not know this for sure.

Jill
I only gave it to Sandie twice, the vet suggested it as a way to help with flatulence, but I am very unsure about it.
Olesia711 wrote:
23 May 2020, 21:22
i too do not know how safe activated charcoal is to give with CREON.... is it possible for you to give omeprazole instead?
Very interesting. Would omeprazole have the same effect ? What about the risk of absorving B12 ? She takes the B12 with intrínsic factor from Chemeyes uk, as recommended from EPI4DOGS .

Thank you for your answers.

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Re: Activated charcoal

Post by Sandie » 24 May 2020, 09:50

To Olesia

Forgive me... I just read that Izzy .... 😞🌈

So sorry, please accep my deepest sympathy. Hoping that time eases soothes your heart.

💐
Fátima, Sandie and the Cats

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Re: Activated charcoal

Post by Olesia711 » 24 May 2020, 11:15

Ahh thanks Sandie..... i know there is a time and season for everything and our beloved pets cannot stay with us forever, but it is still hurts when they have to leave us..........

Regarding the charcoal, since Jean gave it with Panzym....i suspect it is fine to give with CREON.... my concern is that i know charcoal works great on dogs, BUT you have to be careful with certain gastrointestinal situations.... and that is what i would be concerned about...as long as there is not blockage or something else that they warn you when to not give activated charcoal. This is why i suggested Omeprazole.... and yes Omeprazole is safe to give with CREON... and yes, if you give Omeprazole over a LONG period of time, like any acid reducer, it will inhibit the B12 store to some degree. I normally am not concerned about it unless the dog's B12 is only in the 100's and the caregivers keep the dog on an acid reducer forever.....

All EPI dogs have a dysfunctions with secondary bile acids.... but to what degree from one dog to the next we really don't know... as not all dogs display (or have it bad enough- -not sure which)... SO if the activated charcoal has been suggested because of upchucking, acid, etc... i would try Omeprazole.

If you vet is recommending it to get the SID (small intestinal dysbiosis) under better control... it may help or not, i really don't know. WHat often works from our observations is a prebiotic and this is why we like to suggest slipper elm... as it is a prebiotic and mucilage and we suspect the mucilage help coat the stomach lining from allowing bad metabolites from getteing thru which is one of the things that happens with SID.............
Olesia, was owned by Izzy, a 35lb Spanish Water Dog (SWD), Diagnosed at 1.5 years old - TLI results 1.. Izzy passed away on February 13, 2020 at 15 years old. She lived with EPI for 13+1/2 years. It was because of Izzy that Epi4Dogs was started... she was the inspiration. May her legacy of helping others with EPI continue for as long as needed.........

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Post by Madelon » 25 May 2020, 19:09

Hi Fatima. I don't know anything activated charcoal so I'll leave that to the experts :) I have been giving Doc Slippery Elm Bark powder for years and it really seems to help him. A few months ago I started giving him Omeprazole because he was have A LOT of wet burps and it has really helped. I do remember Olesia stating at one time if you use Omeprazole for a while and at some point it seems to "stop working" - stop giving it for about a week and then start again - for some reason it helps reset things to stop it for a week and then start again.

Keep us posted on how things are going with Sadie.
MADELON and Doc. DX EPI and SIBO: 5/22/2015
Test Results: (1st) 7/2014 = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate > 24; (2nd) 5/2015 = TLI < .4, B12 406; Folate >24; (3rd) 10/2015 TLI < .4; B12 >1000; Folate 14.4. Prior to DX: May 2014 (2mos) - DX coccidia/bladder infection; July 2014 (3mos) 1st EPI test = TLI 16.5, B12 894, Folate >24 - Dx SIBO not EPI; Feb 2015 thru May 2015 - weight loss only; May 2015 vomitted several times, diarrhea and eating poop. Regimen: 4 cups Sport Dog Food Elite Herding - Diane 6x 1tsp per cup; 1 WonderLab PetFactor B12 2x day; 1/2tsp Slippery Elm 2xday; Multivitamin; 1 Zyrtec 10mg 2x day; Salmon Oil

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Re: Activated charcoal

Post by Sandie » 28 May 2020, 09:42

Hello, I am sorry for the silence, Sandie is in the middle of another crisis, I will be back as soon as possible.

Fátima

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